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  • Dynamite Kid
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    Do roids improve Boxing technique?

    Do roids improve Boxing technique? because i here people say how Pac started taking roids against David Diaz but what i dont here is how much better Manny Pacquiao is technically, Pacquiaio did a paint job on Diaz but if you actually look at his punch variety, angles, counter punching its quite clear that he has improved his technique dramatically, now to my mind steroids does not improve your Boxing skill, technique but still people wanna point to that fight, okay so i here you say Manny knocked Diaz out flat on his face? yeah after punishing round after round and breaking him down, Soto a super featherweight hurt him, Kendal Holt TK'oed him.

    Ricky Hatton was being hurt by the likes of Collazo, admittedly a 147 pounder, but by no means a good puncher even at the higher weight, Hatton also got rocked badly by Juan Lazcano a guy who spent most his career at lightweight and was not considered a particularly devastating puncher, he got knocked out against Mayweather whom i dont considered a big puncher, more of a sneaky puncher, also we can agree that Hatton was showing signs of deterioration and everything pointed to him being past his best against Pac.

    Is anyone that shocked that Manny was able to beat Cotto when you consider how slow Cotto's foot movement is and how fast Manny's is? i hear people talk about him taking Cotto's power, Cotto was never a particularly devastating puncher anyway, plus he is a one handed fighter (a converted lefty with no pop in the right hand)


    Its important to remember that the accusations stem from people who have/had an axe to grind, Mayweather sr because he trained Hatton who Pac annihilated, Malignaggi who got beat down by Hatton and Cotto, Pac just happened to beat both these guys down, then we have Mayweather himself of coarse, if there are any other critics they are people who have had their opinion coerced by these original accusers, if Mayweather does not question whether Pac is on roids then this is a non issue and know one is accusing Pac of steroids, bottom line.


    Personally i dont think Manny did only improve with the Diaz fight, it was a progression from the Barrera rematch where he was moving his head more and trying to Box Barrera, as appose to take his head off with the left hand, okay he still had problems with JMM but he is just a guy that will always give Pac problems, although you might argue that Pac is at a more comfortable weight now and thus would KO him now.

    Okay here is a vid of Pac against Diaz take note of the counter uppercuts that he painting Diaz with thats not steroids thats better technique improvement technically.

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    Of course it does. Roids makes your body able to recuperate and heal faster hence you can train more. The more you train on your left uppercut for instance, the better it gets.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
      Do roids improve Boxing technique? because i here people say how Pac started taking roids against David Diaz but what i dont here is how much better Manny Pacquiao is technically, Pacquiaio did a paint job on Diaz but if you actually look at his punch variety, angles, counter punching its quite clear that he has improved his technique dramatically, now to my mind steroids does not improve your Boxing skill, technique but still people wanna point to that fight, okay so i here you say Manny knocked Diaz out flat on his face? yeah after punishing round after round and breaking him down, Soto a super featherweight hurt him, Kendal Holt TK'oed him.

      Ricky Hatton was being hurt by the likes of Collazo, admittedly a 147 pounder, but by no means a good puncher even at the higher weight, Hatton also got rocked badly by Juan Lazcano a guy who spent most his career at lightweight and was not considered a particularly devastating puncher, he got knocked out against Mayweather whom i dont considered a big puncher, more of a sneaky puncher, also we can agree that Hatton was showing signs of deterioration and everything pointed to him being past his best against Pac.

      Is anyone that shocked that Manny was able to beat Cotto when you consider how slow Cotto's foot movement is and how fast Manny's is? i hear people talk about him taking Cotto's power, Cotto was never a particularly devastating puncher anyway, plus he is a one handed fighter (a converted lefty with no pop in the right hand)


      Its important to remember that the accusations stem from people who have/had an axe to grind, Mayweather sr because he trained Hatton who Pac annihilated, Malignaggi who got beat down by Hatton and Cotto, Pac just happened to beat both these guys down, then we have Mayweather himself of coarse, if there are any other critics they are people who have had their opinion coerced by these original accusers, if Mayweather does not question whether Pac is on roids then this is a non issue and know one is accusing Pac of steroids, bottom line.


      Personally i dont think Manny did only improve with the Diaz fight, it was a progression from the Barrera rematch where he was moving his head more and trying to Box Barrera, as appose to take his head off with the left hand, okay he still had problems with JMM but he is just a guy that will always give Pac problems, although you might argue that Pac is at a more comfortable weight now and thus would KO him now.

      Okay here is a vid of Pac against Diaz take note of the counter uppercuts that he painting Diaz with thats not steroids thats better technique improvement technically.

      yes roids indirectly improve boxing technique. Why? Very simple:

      Roids gives you a lot more stamina and a lot more strength and energy to train with thus making you capable of training twice as hard and twice as long as the guy NOT taking roids. If the all natural guy is in the gym for 3 hours a day and the guy on roids is in the gym 6 hours a day and not getting tired, guess which guy is going to be stronger and more skilled? Obviously the guy on roids is learning more from his 6 hours and getting more practice in etc so he will in the long run have higher skills as well.

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        #4
        Originally posted by etlux
        yes roids indirectly improve boxing technique. Why? Very simple:

        Roids gives you a lot more stamina and a lot more strength and energy to train with thus making you capable of training twice as hard and twice as long as the guy NOT taking roids. If the all natural guy is in the gym for 3 hours a day and the guy on roids is in the gym 6 hours a day and not getting tired, guess which guy is going to be stronger and more skilled? Obviously the guy on roids is learning more from his 6 hours and getting more practice in etc so he will in the long run have higher skills as well.
        It does not matter how fit you are, that is not going to make you a better counter puncher and learn how to mix up your combination's

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          #5
          Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
          It does not matter how fit you are, that is not going to make you a better counter puncher and learn how to mix up your combination's
          well you're obviously a kid who doesn't know **** about boxing or anything so I'm not going to bother with you. But go ask anyone who knows and you'll see, yes ROIDS will improve your counter punching and your combinations. Are you ******ed?
          Answer me this: How do you improve your counter punching and combinations?
          Answer: By practicing over and over.

          Who will then have better technique the guy who practices 6 hours a day 6 days a week or a guy who practices 3 hours a day 5 days a week?

          ****, you're ****** son.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
            It does not matter how fit you are, that is not going to make you a better counter puncher and learn how to mix up your combination's
            If you suddenly are able to throw a particular combination 50 times during a training session compared to 30 times you'll obviously be better.

            Otherwise don't train as it wont make a difference....

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              #7
              Originally posted by BattlingNelson
              Of course it does. Roids makes your body able to recuperate and heal faster hence you can train more. The more you train on your left uppercut for instance, the better it gets.

              Disagree.

              What you do technically is down to the conscious decision you yourself make to improve in that area, whether that be discipline to fight from the range you are most effective, making a conscious decision to throw safe punches that are not going to leave you wide open yourself to counters etc.

              James Toney, Vargas did not look too spectacular on roids.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
                Disagree.

                What you do technically is down to the conscious decision you yourself make to improve in that area, whether that be discipline to fight from the range you are most effective, making a conscious decision to throw safe punches that are not going to leave you wide open yourself to counters etc.

                James Toney, Vargas did not look too spectacular on roids.
                Why bother praticing at all then?

                Regarding Vargas and Toney you cannot say what you say because you don't know how they'd perform without the roids.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
                  Disagree.

                  What you do technically is down to the conscious decision you yourself make to improve in that area, whether that be discipline to fight from the range you are most effective, making a conscious decision to throw safe punches that are not going to leave you wide open yourself to counters etc.

                  James Toney, Vargas did not look too spectacular on roids.
                  1. Obviously it takes conscious effort dumb ****. Who says the guy on roids is not making a conscious effort to improve while he's on roids? Are you a ****** or what I don't get you.

                  2. James Toney and Vargas are two of the greatest boxers of the last era, so I think it's a little idiotic to say they weren't spectacular on roids because 1. you don't know exactly how long they were taking them and 2. you don't know that they would have been far worse if they DIDN'T take them.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by BattlingNelson
                    If you suddenly are able to throw a particular combination 50 times during a training session compared to 30 times you'll obviously be better.

                    Otherwise don't train as it wont make a difference....


                    Pacquaio has had 56 fights im sure he has spent a fair few hours in the gym honing his craft before he allegedly started taking steroids.

                    I dont agree at all with your analogy.

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