Biggest waste of talent? Judah or Toney??

[Siggy]

other than like, rjj, i cant think of a fighter with more natural talent than zab.
foot speed, lightning hand speed, reflexes, coordination, concussive 1 punch KO power. he had the knowledge too. he knew how to box. he just didnt have the intangibles and he had a below average chin. actually, other than the tszyu KO, which was a hellacious punch by the way, his chin held up pretty well. its his will that didnt.

[Derranged]

Toney is still a HOFer... He could of been so much greater than what he really is though.

Zab Judah is just so overrated. Had skills but didn't have the chin, mentality, or heart to be anan ATG... Toney did have all that.. Toney just didn't have the descipline.

So I have to go with Toney...

This.

Although I don't Zab is that overrated. Big disappointment though.

This poll shouldn't even be close.

[heat27]

Zab Judah
i really believe he could have been a all time great

[illmatickid]

Judah......by far. First off when we are talking about elite athletes Toney wasn't that talented. What Toney had was an extremely high amount of skill which maximized his talent.

Secondly if we now go by the premise of who did the most with their respective careers it would again go to Toney. Just look at his resume and the sheer number of top level fights and you'll see why.

The sad thing about Toney however is that if he had the dietary and gym discipline of a Hopkins, Mosley or PBF he would've been a top 10 ATG.

this SHAT right here

[disolly]

zab never had talent.

just because someone is fast and black they are expected to be the best fighter in the world?

i think judah had talent, he has a mental issue. in my opinion he was better than floyd for the first 4 rounds or so. he just can't seem to face any controversy in fights. he is a mental midget in the ring. if he fought the way he can sometime for 12 rounds every fight, i think he would be one of the hardest guys to beat. and that for me is his big problem, the mental aspect, however he also lost all his fights besides tszyu at WW, and he is a very small WW. He can still make 140 and he fought at WW for 5 + years. he did beat junior witter more decisively than what bradley did.

[any craic lad?]

joan guzman should be an honourable mention

[Mr. Philadel]

wow......I know Zab has had some rough nights and has developed a reputation as a fader......but to call a 2 division, 3 time world champion a waste of talent is crazy imo!!

[Snopkins]

zab never had talent.

just because someone is fast and black they are expected to be the best fighter in the world?

And this is the truth.People get so hyped up if a fighter is black and just happens to have fast hands.They compare them to every other great fighter in the past who happened to be fast and black.


They compared Judah to Pernell Whitaker and fed him bums to look impressive against.The problem was,Judah couldn't even look impressive against these bums.


Judah never had the talent to be anything other than a good fighter at best and it's debatable if he's even that.

[FeFist]

I'm seeing some racists in this thread.

Anyway I'm going to have to go with Zab Judah. Toney did enough to be remembered throughout the generations.

Zab Judah could be up there with the likes of Mayweather, Pac and Mosley but his mental inadequacy let him down.

[mellow_mood]

judah... by far..

toney did his job in the boxing game... he did all he could....


zab is another history.. is def.. an underachiever... a guy with his natural skills should have done way way more with his career