Mayweather vs Mosley outsells >>> Any Pacquiao PPV (taking bets)

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#1 05-03-2010, 07:58 PM
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Early Mayweather/Mosley PPV buyrate projection is....

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...1.4 - 1.5 million buys.


I have a friend at a cable sompany. She works in the VoD group, but she always provides me with estimates.

She said the final nums were a bit softer than last week's projections.

She only has one region of the country, so they project nationals using a formula. It's an inexact science.

If the numbers went crazy in one region, or certain metro areas, it could be a bit higher...or a bit lower. But she said to expect numbers that are generally in line with Delahoya-Pacquiao.


Just some info. Don't ask me for a link. Ignore this info if it has zero credibility with you. No need for snarky commnets.... just sharing what I have.

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Can you check with your friend if they have data on which state or region bought the most PPV. Just to see where the fans are at.

[suckmebeautiful]

I wonder what will be people excuses when Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley outsells all of Pacquiao's PPV!!!

Just curious, We know this next PPV will be all on Mayweather's back.

In the words of Freddie Roach.
"Shane is not a draw,Cotto is a bigger draw than Mosley."

• So when Mayweather vs. Mosley does better than Pacquiao vs. Cotto
  what will the reasoning be???
  
• When Mayweather vs. Mosley does better than Pacquiao vs. De la hoya
  what will the reasoning be???
  
• When Mayweather vs. Mosley does better than Pacquiao vs. Hatton
  what will the reasoning be???
  
• When Mayweather vs. Mosley does better than any Pacquiao PPV fight
  what will the reasoning be???

Will some of guys still hold on to the myth that Pacquiao is still the cash cow in the sport??


I am taking any and all bets that Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley will beat any ppv fight Pacquiao has been invovled in.


no hate just trying too stack my points up... damn u reed

what the **** is wrong with u people!? unless you are personally making profit off mayweather's (or any other fighters) ppv sales there is no reason to get exited about another mans money..unless you r just a cheerleader (in which case why dont you guys just go to their fan club site?)I just cant understand this frame of mind..maybe cuz im a hardworking grown man the only thing we should be pushing for is these fights to go on free t.v not for these over indulging pampered boxers (that goes for huggers of any fighter but specially floyd)to keep charging more and more for some overhyped ppv and then you guys rejoyce cuz they managed to con millions to fork out their hard earned money...The only thing that makes me happy about it is that they are continiously embarrasing those mma nimrods who kept saying boxing was dead..but on the real when i tell my grandchildren about this unique epoch in boxing history,i will not be talking about ppv sales..how embarrasing you guys are..

[Uturn]

I've got a massive hard on after seeing Floyds PPV buys.

[Horus]

what the **** is wrong with u people!? unless you are personally making profit off mayweather's (or any other fighters) ppv sales there is no reason to get exited about another mans money..unless you r just a cheerleader (in which case why dont you guys just go to their fan club site?)I just cant understand this frame of mind..maybe cuz im a hardworking grown man the only thing we should be pushing for is these fights to go on free t.v not for these over indulging pampered boxers (that goes for huggers of any fighter but specially floyd)to keep charging more and more for some overhyped ppv and then you guys rejoyce cuz they managed to con millions to fork out their hard earned money...The only thing that makes me happy about it is that they are continiously embarrasing those mma nimrods who kept saying boxing was dead..but on the real when i tell my grandchildren about this unique epoch in boxing history,i will not be talking about ppv sales..how embarrasing you guys are..

I love reading post like this, for the simple fact that I love seeing how much the people who say they do not care about ppv, show how much they really care about PPv #'s by sitting down and responding to a thread where they should have no interest in. if you guys who say you do not care so much, Why are you here????

The thread title is not misleading?
The opening post is clear as a sunny day.

What made people like you post in a thread you care nothing about?


I'll wait.

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no hate just trying too stack my points up... damn u reed

That's all I saw....

Horus reminds me of a hobo before the freeway on ramp -

"Why lie...its for a beer" - And out of respect...I give him a dollar.

[Uturn]

I love reading post like this, for the simple fact that I love seeing how much the people who say they do not care about ppv, show how much they really care about PPv #'s by sitting down and responding to a thread where they should have no interest in. if you guys who say you do not care so much, Why are you here????

The thread title is not misleading?
The opening post is clear as a sunny day.

What made people like you post in a thread you care nothing about?


I'll wait.

PPV buys is not what makes a boxer homie. It gives you clout over fights but it doesn't mean your the GOAT cause you sold the most. Hatton was never a world beater but always managed to sell a credible amount. I dont understand the logic behind PPV buys, it doesn't affect us boxing fans. It's really not a big deal man, both fighters are GREAT in their own right. You just like to wind these *******s up but they shouldn't really care about it, it's pathetic and childish from both sides *****s & *******s. It's like being in ****ing junior school with endless threads about them both.

[DiLLiNGER]

money may ain't no joke..he means biznizzzzzz haha

[suckmebeautiful]

I love reading post like this, for the simple fact that I love seeing how much the people who say they do not care about ppv, show how much they really care about PPv #'s by sitting down and responding to a thread where they should have no interest in. if you guys who say you do not care so much, Why are you here????

The thread title is not misleading?
The opening post is clear as a sunny day.

What made people like you post in a thread you care nothing about?


I'll wait.

Fair enough i knew you would ask that..but its almost unavoidable these days since the influx fmj fans (specially since the mosley fight) has plagued the front page of nsb with threads about ppv buys this cash cow that...ive never seen a fanbase that cared so passionately about their heroes finances ..granted i mainly lurk in the training and nutritional section (due to the monotony of the threads and flame wars between pac and floyd fans..both irrational looking from the outside in)i guess to answer your question i posted here to maybe get some enlightenment as to why a grown man ( assuming you guys are of age and have jobs) would not only care so much for but feel overjoyed about another man finances if your not getting a cut. Love the fighter and the sport by all means! As a businessman i see no sense in this..is it a cultural thing maybe? shouldnt we be pushing for boxing to back on network tv.?? Do you enjoy being ripped off??

[Horus]

Fair enough i knew you would ask that..but its almost unavoidable these days since the influx fmj fans (specially since the mosley fight) has plagued the front page of nsb with threads about ppv buys this cash cow that...ive never seen a fanbase that cared so passionately about their heroes finances ..granted i mainly lurk in the training and nutritional section (due to the monotony of the threads and flame wars between pac and floyd fans..both irrational looking from the outside in)i guess to answer your question i posted here to maybe get some enlightenment as to why a grown man ( assuming you guys are of age and have jobs) would not only care so much for but feel overjoyed about another man finances if your not getting a cut. Love the fighter and the sport by all means! As a businessman i see no sense in this..is it a cultural thing maybe? shouldnt we be pushing for boxing to back on network tv.?? Do you enjoy being ripped off??

I answered this question thousands of times...but I think to get a more in depth answer to your question, I will reference you to my dude's "andstill" thread addressing your concerns and question.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=382249

Pay-Per-View: A Love Story


I often see people saying that they don’t care about PPV sales, etc. That’s fine. That is your opinion. Although I personally view that as a narrow-minded approach. But here is why Pay-Per-View is important

Money drives Matchups:
What is the single biggest driver (or obstacle) to why premier fights get made – or don’t get made? Money. And at the highest level of the sport, we are very often talking about that fight being on PPV. Whoever your favourite fighter may be - Pacquiao, Hatton, Mayweather, Hopkins, etc – at some point, he turned down a fight because the money wasn’t enough . Some examples?

After Guzman beat Soto, Bob Arum said that Pacquiao wouldn’t fight Guzman because he needs to do 350K buys with Pacquiao, and Guzman wouldn’t facilitate/generate that.

The Jones/Hopkins rematch should have happened much earlier. When it actually mattered. But the guys couldn’t get an agreement on the money. Avid fans will remember “60-40, I whup yo’ ass”.

Shane Mosley’s career would have looked much different if he had opted to fight the Delahoya rematch, instead of going to Winky. But Shane was unhappy with the purse offer, and turned down what (at the time) would have been his biggest payday.

Shane asked for a $10 million purse to face Mayweather at 137 pounds when Shane was a lightweight and Floyd was a SFW. In truth, other contributing factors included Shane’s struggle to make 135 much longer, and his desire to unseat Oscar’s primacy at 147.

Mayweather felt that he deserved pay parity with Oscar on the discussed rematch to ‘The World Awaits’. It begs the question of whether (or how) Floyd would have actually ‘retired’ if he was able to negotiate that fight.

These examples are meant to illustrate that almost all top fighters have monetary objectives in the sport. After all, as a famous man once said: It’s called prizefighting. Duh. You hear the term risk/reward…well, what reward do you think they are talking about?


Nothing is Free
HBO is the benefactor is the sport. It’s that simple. HBO pays the highest purses, puts on the most fights, has the most viewers, and has the most pull/influence with managers and promoters. Now, HBO has given you terrific fights on “free HBO” – their B.A.D. and WCB series (and let’s not forget KO Nation). But those programs don’t generate revenues for the channel. HBO basically pays big license fees to make these fights happen. Did you pay for Pavlik-Martinez?

So, understand that HBO’s parent company is in the business of making money for its shareholders. They are not in the business of entertaining the small boxing community for free. As such, they need to make money. The way they make real money for both themselves, and their affiliates, is to put on big, successful PPV events.

Did you enjoy watching the Angulo-Julio and Arreola-Adamek doubleheader last week? Well, who and what do you think funded that?

When HBO Boxing puts on big, successful PPV’s, they generate money for TW Corporation, and can then request and be allocated a bigger budget. Without those PPV’s, the corporate parent looks at a dying sport and decides to instead invest in “John from Cincinnati” or some other drivel. The same way that TWC got rid of Lou Dobbs because he was more trouble than it was worth, the very same way they can end their association with boxing.

Think of it as a nightclub that has no cover charge because they sell a ton of drinks at the bar. That bar is what keeps the cover charge and price of wings down. These people are in business, and the money has to come from somewhere.

What happens when a business isn’t making money?

Ratings, Ratings, Ratings
As a sports fan in general (as many of you are – I see the discussions in the Lounge), you often hear about ratings. The NBA doesn’t want to see a Utah Jazz vs. Charlotte Bobcats Finals. The Super Bowl was the highest rated ever. The Yankees vs RedSox draw the most viewers. Etc. It is the reality of sports. And of television overall. Ratings are so important that they are reported the very next day (“overnights”). TV executives stress out over this stuff.

Well, HBO isn’t a broadcast network, and doesn’t report to Nielsen in the traditional way. They are a subscription service. In business, in life, in everything, you measure what you value. And the way that you measure ratings for those big boxing events is via PPV sales.

One of my favourite shows of all time was Arrested Development. Why did they cancel it? Not enough ratings.

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There are a few more reasons…but I’ll stop now. The reason that some (many?) people get so upset about the PPV sales is that their favourite fighter may not sell as much as some rival fighter. But guess what? A rising tide lifts all boats. When Floyd or Pac sell big, it benefits Andre Berto and Lucian Bute also. Just like Tiger Woods’ ability to draw a big crowd and additional sponsors ultimately benefits Stewart Cink or the guy who is 93rd on the money list.

If the reporting or discussion of PPV sales hurts your feelings or makes you angry, then stay out of those threads. Those threads are usually clearly labeled. And then ask yourself why you would view an important and fundamental part of the boxing business so negatively. If you are honest with yourself, I think you will find that particular emotion is not rooted in the purity of your love of the SPORT.

If you love the SPORT, you want these fights (all of them) to sell big. Huge. Mammoth.

Thanks for reading…enjoy the fight.

[tesla_power]

Oh yeah you too..Man i have to find all the people I bet with

Lolz. Paid you Horus.

Let me know if you got it now. I had problems on donation before.

Good thing Ellerbe's number came out. If Iole's number came up, then I would have laugh harder than I do now. What is your reaction when the 1.1M figure came up?