if that fight wasn't proof of a bias...

[ChiTown2Diego]

It is astonishing because Clottey's biggest fights against the top of the division he made a strong case for himself as to why he belongs amongst the top guys. And the fact that PAC completely neutralized him says alot about how good PAC really is !!

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[I'd rather box]

listen, if you know anything about boxing.. have studied it whatsoever... you are really wrong here. again, i can't stress enough how much i am NOT TRYING TO DISCREDIT MANNY... but Manny did NOT neutralize Clottey- thats the point- HE DIDNT NEED TO! CLOTTEY WAS NEUTRALIZING *HIMSELF*.

Clottey didn't stop throwing punches because of anything Manny did at all ! He just DIDN'T THROW PUNCHES.

So there was nothing extraordinary with what Manny did! He did a great job at doing things to a sleepwalker- but the way the announce team spoke of it, he was fighting Sugar Rays Robinson and Leonard at the same time!

Where the f**k have you been ??

Clottey's post-fight comments are all over the net. He has admitted to having been overwhelmed by PAC's speed !! That's why he couldn't get his punches off, PAC took his b*lls away !!

Care to tell me why Clottey looked good against Cotto, Margarita, and Judah and not against PAC ??

[JudeTheObscure]

Where the f**k have you been ??

Clottey's post-fight comments are all over the net. He has admitted to having been overwhelmed by PAC's speed !! That's why he couldn't get his punches off, PAC took his b*lls away !!

Care to tell me why Clottey looked good against Cotto, Margarita, and Judah and not against PAC ??

Why are you becoming a tough guy? You can't disagree with me otherwise?

As it is, I never took away from the later rounds.. but you're telling me Pac took away his speed in the first three rounds?? No- Clottey is just a passive motherf**ker! If Floyd Sr is saying that, you know it must mean something, as down on Pac he has been.

To follow your train of thought, why didn't Clottey close the show in ANY of those fights you listed? (Judah was still stopped because of a cut/headbutt) It's because 'The Grand Master' just doesn't have the hunger enough. Did Pac "take away his speed" in Round One? Round Two?

Noone is saying Manny didn't perform great... I'm just saying, Clottey wasn't a threat more from his lack of pushing it more then because of Manny.

[Castor_Troy]

let me clarify, i am not trying to hate or discredit on Manny- believe it or not. but i wonder what an obviously coked-up or senile Jim Lampley was seeing, along with Emmaunel, that i was not.

how great and extraordinary are you against someone who throws 3 punches per round? why is this never considered? again, i am taking nothing away from Manny, but... how was that such an amazing, awe-inspiring performance? CLOTTEY WAS NOT FIGHTING.

if i went and beat up a guy with no arms conclusively for twelve rounds, would you say i was amazing and impressive? doubtful.

when Muhammad Ali beat Jean-Pierre Coopman, noone said how masterful and extraordinary Ali was. they said, truthfully, that Coopman did nothing.

Clottey disappointed me quite a bit. One of the truest things Emmanuel said was that Joshua does not *think* like a champion. He isn't hungry, he doesn't step up to take it. Even Lennox Lewis said he couldn't understand lackluster contenders. this is your time on the world's stage to take your spot, and you go through the motions.. utterly ridiculous.

I don't want to discredit Manny, but really, the media bias is overwhelmingly ridiculous. They've obviously been starving for a superstar that is non-threatening to them. You ********** all over a fighter's performance when he fights someone who fights back- I would hope!

(But really, did anyone else notice Jim Lampley's massive off night? It's ******* or concussion. Sorry, Jim.)

The Key : He make him not fight.

[I'd rather box]

Why are you becoming a tough guy? You can't disagree with me otherwise?

As it is, I never took away from the later rounds.. but you're telling me Pac took away his speed in the first three rounds?? No- Clottey is just a passive motherf**ker! If Floyd Sr is saying that, you know it must mean something, as down on Pac he has been.

To follow your train of thought, why didn't Clottey close the show in ANY of those fights you listed? (Judah was still stopped because of a cut/headbutt) It's because 'The Grand Master' just doesn't have the hunger enough. Did Pac "take away his speed" in Round One? Round Two?

Noone is saying Manny didn't perform great... I'm just saying, Clottey wasn't a threat more from his lack of pushing it more then because of Manny.

Okay, so if you already knew that Clottey was a passive fighter. Then why the hell were you dissapointed ??? LMAO

If you already had a solid idea on how Clottey was gonna fight, then there shouldn't be any dissapointments on your part ???

Here's an analogy, if I knew a guy had no f**kin' chin, should I be dissapointed if the first punch that hits him, he goes down ?? The answer is no, because the realm of the possibility of it happening is very much there, duh !!