I hate to rain on Pac's parade, but..................

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Like I said in another thread Clottey is a sold average WW. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hes not a bum but hes not world class either.

[Iceta Lives]

Now one thing I will have to concede is Clottey's willingness to fight dirty. And if Pac ever fouls fighters he never does it intentionally. The dirtiest I'd ever seen him fight was in the first Barrera fight. The only other thing I've seen him do was hit JMM while he was down on the third knockdown. Other than that, I've got to give Pac credit for being a clean fighter inside the ring. Whether or not he's clean outside of the ring is something is up to him to prove though.

[jrosales13]

Like I said in another thread Clottey is a sold average WW. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hes not a bum but hes not world class either.

But, IF corrales had a chin he would beat Clottey. So I doubt if Clottey is even an average WW now...

Be honest do you think JMM and/or Valero could beat Clottey at 147?

[Tmann400]

Idk ice, this is on some other **** my man...you must hate clottey..i mean yu are going to ifs and buts now..like cmon. thats like saying if cotto had a better chin and was more durable he would of beaten margarito, he didnt though..its just facts..and what makes fights..

[check hook]

If a Chico had a better chin he would of beaten him? Really? If? that is what we doing now. If?

If's are a waste of time.......IF Zab Judah was mentally strong and IF he didn't have a China Chin and IF he could acually stick to a gameplan without deviating.....who would beat him with his physical gifts??........people need to stop talking about attributes fighters don't possess.......

[Glamour Puss]

Like I said in another thread Clottey is a sold average WW. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hes not a bum but hes not world class either.

Clottey is an elite WW.

He's the definition of world class.

[Iceta Lives]

LOL what? dude, chico ate shots the whole fight. clottey was to fast, skilled and strong for him. you gotta be ****in crazy man. corrales' shots werent doing **** to clottey. and i know corrales came up in weight so i give clottey only so much credit but to say hed beat clottey, come the **** on ice. he was completely outclassed and clobbered. where could you have even seen a possible scenario of him winning? i mean..really..please..do tell me

Corrales landed more punches than Clottey in that fight. Why do people consider it out of the realm of possibility that someone like Valero could beat him? Valero has the same kind of power that Corrales had while being a southpaw to boot, and he's never been hurt from what we've seen. And his style is real similar to Pac's when Pac was younger.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

But, IF corrales had a chin he would beat Clottey. So I doubt if Clottey is even an average WW now...

Be honest do you think JMM and/or Valero could beat Clottey at 147?

No because Diaz was ****ing knocking around JJM and i don't rate Diaz much and he is a light puncher, JJM can't fight at 147, 140 is pushing it.

But Clottey is average WW and will be stopped tommorrow imo

[jrosales13]

Corrales landed more punches than Clottey in that fight. Why do people consider it out of the realm of possibility that someone like Valero could beat him? Valero has the same kind of power that Corrales had while being a southpaw to boot, and he's never been hurt from what we've seen. And his style is real similar to Pac's when Pac was younger.

Did you see the Mosquera fight? And, Valero is too open and we don't know yet that Valero can carry his power to 147 he is unproven above 135. I am sorry but P4P Clottey is a better fighter than Demarco and when we talking about it at 147? Come on now? And, Valero might even lose some speed going up in weight. We don't know how he will carry the weight. To say he will beat a top 5 WW is absurd IMO.

[check hook]

Clottey is an elite WW.

He's the definition of world class.

Clottey may be a bit tailor made for Pac....but he is def an elite WW.....no one wants to fight Josh...because even if u win you will most likely look bad doing it or take some punishment in the process...........