Pacquiao-Mayweather collapse is about control, not PEDs

[S A M U R A I]

If this is your stance on this then you have no choice but to agree that if Floyd outsells Clottey-Pac that he deserves more. Pac didnt sell anything before Oscar either.



The standard for Gloves in Nevada is 10oz. Fighters have to "agree" for 8oz. Which is what Floyd did at Pacs request.





But Pac still asked for it. And Floyd accepted it. Why ask for it if its a moot point? It was a "mind thing".

Yes, of course it's a mind thing.

Gloves are not a problem. Do you really think, as a Floyd fan, that the gloves will be the difference between Floyd winning and losing? Al you guys go on about is how technically skilled he is.

And yes, see my other post regarding the split. But once again, I have no interest in the money they earn. That's their business. I can't state this strongly enough, because I'm sick of the "Mayweather is the PPV king" bull****, it drives me up the wall because I am not a materialistic person. It's shallow as ****.



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[S.G.]

Are you ignoring the main point of the thread, SG? It's not about drug testing, it's about control.

just replying to a post.

Of Floyd really thought Pacquiao is "easy work", and if he thinks Pacquiao is such an inferior fighter, Floyd would say "OK, I'll fight Pacquiao with or without PED's and knock that one-dimensional punk out."

Are you telling me PED's is the difference between Manny winning or losing, or their skill level?

c'mon man, it sounds like your defending ped use.

whether it's the be all and end all or not (which i do not believe it is for the record), it's against the rules and provides one fighter with an unfair advantage so we should make whatever effort we can to prevent their use.


why do you feel extra drug testing is more worthy of refusal than a couple extra percents of the purse, or $10m per pound over the limit, or gloves that favour punchers? to me it seems like one of the least important negotiation points of the bunch (assuming the fighter being subjected to the tests is clean).

if mayweather was trying to make a power play i think he would have done it on the purse or at very least the $10m per pound penalty. he is "money" may after all.

[PAC-BOY]

Yes, of course it's a mind thing.

Gloves are not a problem. Do you really think, as a Floyd fan, that the gloves will be the difference between Floyd winning and losing? Al you guys go on about is how technically skilled he is.

And yes, see my other post regarding the split. But once again, I have no interest in the money they earn. That's their business. I can't state this strongly enough, because I'm sick of the "Mayweather is the PPV king" bull****, it drives me up the wall because I am not a materialistic person. It's shallow as ****.

Key word her...Shallow! Shallow minds stick together.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Yes, of course it's a mind thing.

Gloves are not a problem. Do you really think, as a Floyd fan, that the gloves will be the difference between Floyd winning and losing? Al you guys go on about is how technically skilled he is.

And yes, see my other post regarding the split. But once again, I have no interest in the money they earn. That's their business. I can't state this strongly enough, because I'm sick of the "Mayweather is the PPV king" bull****, it drives me up the wall because I am not a materialistic person. It's shallow as ****.

Only thing with the gloves is ofcourse Floyds hand problem. The 10oz gloves cushions his hands but he doesnt like them sometimes. So maybe not.

I agree it is shallow but they dont call them "Peso" Pac and "Money" Mayweather for nothing...lol.

This fight is going down this fall IMO.

[S.G.]

Listen, you have been suckered into that opinion. It is NOT about a level playing field, it's exactly the opposite.

I hope you don't believe everything a politician tells you as well.

isn't pacquiao a politician?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

See thats exactly it though. I don't buy for a second that Mayweather actually wanted this fight to break up. He wanted it to play out where his camp could say "Manny Pacquiao will be taking a mandatory drug test as dictated by myself" and Manny Pacquiao would then be like" yes, I agree to the terms sert by camp Mayweather". In that scenario, it would be obvious that Mayweather is setting the terms of this fight, and therefore was the real champion in control. I dont think anyone can argue that mayweather doesnt use psychological pressure when dealing with perspective opponents, given his history. Now we have Mayweather essentially stuck with defending this so called 'cause' of his. You don't see mayweather demanding that Golden Boy, whom essentially promotes him have these kinds of tests for all their future events. You dont see him mentioning the undercard fighters undergoing the same testing. You dont see him calling out guys like Dan Goosen and Bob Arum over their not enforcing these kinds of tests in their fights, all of which you would expect if Maywetaher actually was championing this cause. On the flip side Pacquiao is not scrambling to justify his turning down the ifght, as he cant really say "Because i dont want to give Mayweather what he wants." That essentially makes him look petty and isnt helpful to hus image, as he is trying to break out in America as a sports star. So now we have both fighters stuck playing their assigned roles. Is the whole ordeal petty and ******? yeah. Is it realistic for two top fighters with enough accomplishemnts to justify soem pretty big egos. Also yeah. So we'll have to see how it plays out but until then theres no reason to suspect Pacquiao of juicing, or Mayweather of "runnin scared".

I have to disagree with this. Mayweather invited Pac to "participate" in the testing with him. They both would be subjected to the same testing procedures. I Pacs fight with Cotto he dictated a demand to Cotto the "champ" to weigh 145 Pounds AND still put his belt on the line that Cotto earned while being allowed to weigh the WW limit. So Pac was in control of that fight and he was the challenger.





Anyone with a good grasp on how this thing works can tell you that its impossible for one man to clean up the sport. There is boxing not only in Nevada but in every state. There is boxing not only in the states but all around the world. Its impossible to have mandatory testing for EVERY single boxing match there are way to many fights held a month let alone a year.

It starts with the fighters and what they put in the contracts. Its a contract thing not a commission thing.





People who say Floyd is scared of Pac need their boxingscene privileges revoked. And the same for people who think of Pac that way. These guys beat the **** out of people for a living they not afraid of each other.

However Bob Arum has came out and admited hes at fault for this fight not happening. When Mayweather and GBP turned down ther Texas Arena. Arum wanted out of the fight every chance he got. Arum was more concerned with the 25 Million dollar check that Jerry Jones wrote him rather then whats best for boxing which is Pac vs. Mayweather. Thats why this fight isnt next weekend.

My post got lost in the wash. But I need some feedback on this.

[brick wall]

I have to disagree with this. Mayweather invited Pac to "participate" in the testing with him. They both would be subjected to the same testing procedures. I Pacs fight with Cotto he dictated a demand to Cotto the "champ" to weigh 145 Pounds AND still put his belt on the line that Cotto earned while being allowed to weigh the WW limit. So Pac was in control of that fight and he was the challenger.

lol at your choice of words. floyd invited pac? and pac dictated his demands to cotto huh? so if floyd says "take a random blood test or no fight will happen" means an invitation to you? get your facts straight if you don't wanna be counted as a ****** floyd fan.

[V.WEBB]

Key word her...Shallow! Shallow minds stick together.

JENNIFER.

[Dehydrator]

So if it's easy work, he shouldn't care if his opponent is cheating? I've never understood this argument unless your okay with guys cheating if their going to lose regardless.

Give me a link that Pacquiao was caught cheating or it's just a hunch started by Mayweather Sr.

[PAC-BOY]

just replying to a post.


c'mon man, it sounds like your defending ped use.

whether it's the be all and end all or not (which i do not believe it is for the record), it's against the rules and provides one fighter with an unfair advantage so we should make whatever effort we can to prevent their use.


why do you feel extra drug testing is more worthy of refusal than a couple extra percents of the purse, or $10m per pound over the limit, or gloves that favour punchers? to me it seems like one of the least important negotiation points of the bunch (assuming the fighter being subjected to the tests is clean).

if mayweather was trying to make a power play i think he would have done it on the purse or at very least the $10m per pound penalty. he is "money" may after all.

what human would defend Ped use. Thats just ignorant. Just because a man beats up a few people the tarnish ones name and want to make demands like he the P4Pking or Champ. The ****er dont even have a belt. Floyd fans are still stuck on Floyd the best ****. Did you not see the JMM fight?