What is the REASON that leads you to believe that Pacquiao is using AAS?

[KiloTeague]

You need to pull your head out. Thats like saying you rob me and I fight you for my money and we both get hurt and then say I could of avoided the injury if I let you walk away with all my money.

Your a thief and in this situation Pac is the cheat. You don't walk away from someone stealing from you and you don't accept fighting a dude who is cheating for an advantage. Floyd just wanted to guarantee a fair fight. Pac let someone call him a cheat and refused drug testing to raise the eyebrows of people that thought the cheat claims were BS. I never thought he was juicing, I thought he was a phenominal athlete.

Until he left 40mill on the table because he didn't want to take Olympic style drug testing. Hes hiding something. If the testing is the deal breaker of 40mill then he is hiding something. Please don't get blame me or anyone for thinking that. Its 40mill over a drug test!!! Hes hiding something period.

[KiloTeague]

Until he left 40mill on the table because he didn't want to take Olympic style drug testing. Hes hiding something. If the testing is the deal breaker of 40mill then he is hiding something. Please don't get blame me or anyone for thinking that. Its 40mill over a drug test!!! Hes hiding something period.

Can any pac fan honestly say that if pac wanted testing done and either Shane or Floyd pulled out of the fight and left 40mill on the table, can you honestly say you would not accuse Floyd of anything. Would you not question him leaving 40 mill if he was good with everything but the drug testing, and he pulled out specifically for the testing. Please.

[Emphasis]

I've never said Pac is on steroids, but I definitely would not be surprised if he was.


Quite simply, because;

1) What he's done in his last few fights does not seem natural

and

2) He refused to take a test that is more thorough than the commisions' standard.

[TOBYLEE1]

If Pac would had taken the test within reasonable terms this would not ever been a topic

[mazdaru]

good thread, when something seems too good to be true, it usually is.

pac is on something.

people like to say that pac hasnt been associated with company like those who were associated with Balco and ****. well yes he has, hes associated with roach who has had number of boxers who were using.

thats bad company and ground of su****ious combined with pacs actions.

when you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas

[Allucard]

First to get it out of they way, I am a Pacquaio fan. However I am nowhere near to the point of being blind when it comes to discussing him.

I'm a firm believer in not speaking on something if you have no idea what you are talking about. One of the things I happen to know well are AAS and other Performance Enhancing drugs. From countless of hours of reading, meeting a talking with a very notorious organic chemist, and knowing several users. Personally I have never used, at least not yet, I do plan to sometime in the future or when I turn 40 for TRT purposes or for general well being but that's beside the point.



____The Point____

I'd like to know why people (Floyd Fans or anyone esle) who believes Manny is using AAS or or some other PED's.

What exactly tipped you off or caused you to believe?

I'll start off by addressing some of the "reasons" I've been seeing

-Physique- This would be the most obvious as "steroids" are the first thing out of most peoples mouth when someone is in great shape. However getting ripped and in shape is not impossible without steroids. Manny Pacquiao is a Millionaire. His money gives him access to the best trainers and nutritionists money can buy. Plus give his and virtually any boxers training regimens, it's not hard to fathom these guys are in shape naturally.

-His Head-- This is one of the most asinine things I've heard. My memory may be bad but I don't see an changes in the size of his dome. From what I gather, the consensus is that Pac started using around the time of his fight with David Diaz. While HGH may stimulate bone and organ growth, it's impossible that any increase in the size of someone's head could happen in the short period of 2 years. Pac would have to be taking ridiculously high doses for a very long period of time. Besides that I've seen no signs that would lead me to believe he's using. Things like GH Gut which he doesn't have.

-His Chin- Pac lately seems to take a punch a lot better than he used to, however rest assured, steroids cannot improve your ability to take shots to the head.

-Conditioning and Pace- I've heard from a few people and even saw a video on youtube that Pac's conditioning was the result of EPO. Now this again all started around the time of the Diaz fight. Lampley and Steward made several references to it during thee course of the fight from what I remember. EPO is a possibility however the risks of using EPO highly outweigh the gain. EPO is extremely dangerous and can be fatal if used improperly. But again like I mentioned with Physique, given his training regimen it's not hard to fathom.

-A Side Meth- Now personally I've never heard of this. It may be real, but talking to various experts, they've laughed at the concept. This came from Roger Mayweather as I'm sure everyone here knows. From the little info Roger provided. I can guarantee with 100% conviction that it's bull****. He stated that they were used 500 years ago, however steroids weren't even synthesized until the early 1900's.

-The fact that he refused testing- This could be the most legit reason I've heard. Unfortunately, just because someone refuses testing doesn't mean they are using steroids. He could be using something else. God know what that could be, it may not even be steroids. Or this could all just be an attempt to further hype this Mayweather/Pac superfight.


Anyway. Enough of my rambling. I'd like to hear exactly why you think he's on steroids. Because so far it's just been monkey see, monkey do.

If Floyd says it, it must be true. Which isn't a very good excuse.

Good post. You've said it yourself, Pacquiao condition is the key here. He went up in weight not just keeping but increasing his power, chin, stamina and speed, as he got older. It is not natural. Then he refuses blood testing claiming it will make him weak. He takes a scheduled one 20 days before the Clottey fight. My question to you is: How much did it take us to assume Margarito cheated against Cotto? The Cotto fight jumped to mind, not Clottey, not Cintron, just Cotto. We saw something in that fight that gave us an indication after seeing Margarito ATTEMPTING to cheat vs Mosley.
If you are still not su****ious about Pacquiao resort to the science that doesn't ever lie. Statistics. Look at Pacquiao's career before and after his 26th. I'm just saying Pacquiao is a suspect and it's not just me saying that or the Mayweathers or even just other Floyd fans, more and more mainstream media are starting to ask questions. Would you turn down a 25 million dollar blood test if you didn't have anything to hide? Pacquiao is a grown man, his 30. He definitely has something to hide. I can see no other reason why he would sign the fight.

[Boxing Amateur]

Deart TS,

I understand that you made up this thread to have a proper discussion regarding about this situation. However, people such as the "*****s" will not and would never be able to cope up with this type of discussions. A piece of advice is you have to drop down to 5% ****** so they can relate. Let me give you an example as to why you have to drop to ******. Floyd Sr. & Roger Mayweather doesn't know any **** about steroids even how much they try to explain it on interviews you will somehow think "wow this is just plain dumb." But to this ******s it's like a fawking word of wisdom. Can you believe a common member of the forums is suddenly a pro when it comes to describing a man on sterois just because two crackheads said it?

With that being I said I hope this information would help you. Have fun here in the forums.

From,
Boxing Amateur

[mazdaru]

Deart TS,

I understand that you made up this thread to have a proper discussion regarding about this situation. However, people such as the "*****s" will not and would never be able to cope up with this type of discussions. A piece of advice is you have to drop down to 5% ****** so they can relate. Let me give you an example as to why you have to drop to ******. Floyd Sr. & Roger Mayweather doesn't know any **** about steroids even how much they try to explain it on interviews you will somehow think "wow this is just plain dumb." But to this ******s it's like a fawking word of wisdom. Can you believe a common member of the forums is suddenly a pro when it comes to describing a man on sterois just because two crackheads said it?

With that being I said I hope this information would help you. Have fun here in the forums.

From,
Boxing Amateur

hes being objective and using common sense.

its fair to ask questions basedon pacs actions and his actions are su****ious

you fail

[solo20]

I've been watching boxing, hell for that matter sports in general, for over 20 years. I'm aware of what the human body can endure. I've seen supreme athletes physical gifts drift away when age and wear and tear are involved. I just want to know how a guy with 50 plus fights, over 30 years old, been fighting professionally for over 15 years, jump thru 7 weight classes, and retain supreme physical gifts? That's not even taken into account the actual training camps. That's a lot of wear and tear on your body. And with his style of "who can take who's shot the best" and the wars he's had....it's just not adding up. I'm sorry. I don't wanna sound like a hater, but something isn't clicking within my own realm of common sense. I wouldn't be so su****ious if he rose thru the ranks and altered his style to accommodate the sudden changes in weight and other changes that come along with being a fighter moving up. But his style is EVEN more effective. That's unheard.

i agree. what Pac is doing is great i want to know what the hell the guy eats how is he keeping his body from falling apart. hell even Duran when going up in weight lost something but Pac is losing very little of his speed and power. thinking of guys like Duran ,Chavez and JMM every time they moved up in weight they lost something Pac seem to be geting better every time he goes up in weight. What ever he is doing i want to know what it is so i can add it to my training .

[mazdaru]

i agree. what Pac is doing is great i want to know what the hell the guy eats how is he keeping his body from falling apart. hell even Duran when going up in weight lost something but Pac is losing very little of his speed and power. thinking of guys like Duran ,Chavez and JMM every time they moved up in weight they lost something Pac seem to be geting better every time he goes up in weight. What ever he is doing i want to know what it is so i can add it to my training .

do some research on the differnt ped's out there and you will have your own "special blend" thats pacroid-a-rific

when people began to ask what you are using that makes you look so great, all of the sudden, tell them someone makes your special blend but you dont know what they give you