Comments Thread For: Shane Mosley: "I'm Going To Knock Mayweather Out"

[AP♠]

7 convincing rounds without getting KO'd mosley and thats it

The plan is simple.

[C.Y.]

Mosley is suppose to be a mild mannered guy right?

so either Floyd got in his head, or Bhop put the battery in his back because he certainly seems out of character as of late..

claiming to be hood and talking about his money and about Floyd's money, custom made suits and all that..

instigating the physical confrontation.. it's clear mayweather is in mosley's head, and the fight is already lost for mosley..

The defense lacking, in-efficient jab user is going to get outboxed badly, he can't handle movement, he can't handle the jab, we are going to witness a lopsided loss for mosley..

the only chance mosley has is landing a lucky punch, the same guy that had life and death with mayorga, got outboxed by a past prime vargas, cotto, etc is not going to beat floyd i have a hard time seeing that

[jayhova29]

That's eitherr an extremely disingenious or a very ill-informed argument. First, Pac never said that he was frightened of needles. What he said was that he had found from experience that injections in which blood was removed weakened him for a few days. This wasn't something he dreamed up during the negotiations with Mayweather - he had been saying that ever since the first Morales fight. He had had a blood test the day before the Morales fight, and immediately afterwards he said in an interview (see here) that it had severely weakened him and that as a result his punches during the fight had been ineffective.

I think he's wrong about that, and that it's superstition on his part, but there is no reason for any rational person to think he is being insincere.

Second, he did not have his tattoos just before a fight, so they are irrelevant.

However, the 14 day cut-off would have been fair, but Mayweather didn't make that offer until after the negotiations had already broken down, and by that time, Pacquiao was too angry about the smear campaign to be willing to make any more compromises.

Your right and wrong, 1st. YOur right Pacquiao didnt say he was afraid of needles, Bob Arum did, do some research buddy. That was there 2nd excuse. When it was mentioned that pacquiao has a lot of tattoo's so how can he possibly be afraid of needles is when this whole bull**** about how he Had blood drawn the day of, or 2 days before the Morales fight. Another excuse, because his manager said it was 2 days before the fight, he said on some Philipinne talk show that he took it the day of the fight because the Nevada state athletic commission lost his intial results. F.O.S (full of ****)

But you go back to saying that no rational person would think he's being insincere, and the problem that most american boxing fans have is that, Manny doesnt speak for himself. In return he looks like he's the one that has something to hide. Quite Frankly, i dont think people have a problem believing Pacquiao, its Bob Aruma and Freddie Roach that's gonna bring him down. Bottom line is from the moment mayweather announced that he wanted olympic style testing, Team Pacquiao had numerous excuses on how his fighter would comply, thats the problem. Especially after Mayweather agreed to all his terms. Had manny said screw you and walked away, nobody would say a word about him being on steroids, it was the way his team's position changed that make people skeptical. Seriously, who walks away from a guaranteed 30mil, to fight for 4 million.

[jayhova29]

Good post my G I like pac but something smell's fishey over here.

whats up big apple, and honestly that's all ive been trying to say. im not saying he's on steroids, but why he refused gives me more doubt about him than anything that the Mayweather's said in the press.

[Dave Rado]

But you go back to saying that no rational person would think he's being insincere, and the problem that most american boxing fans have is that, Manny doesnt speak for himself. In return he looks like he's the one that has something to hide. Quite Frankly, i dont think people have a problem believing Pacquiao, its Bob Aruma and Freddie Roach that's gonna bring him down.

Arum's a prick and says all sorts of ****** things. Roach is an all time great trainer but he, too, is a prick at times and sometimes says ****** things. But it is not rational to be su****ious of Pac because of some idiotic things that Arum, and to a lesser extent, Roach have said.

Bottom line, both fighters are in the wrong.

Mayweather was wrong in the way he conducted the negotiations. Given Pac's personality, background and known insecurities regarding self-respect, it was completely predictable that conducting the negotiations in that way, with a smear campaign against Pac's reputation, would lead to the fight being killed - especially given the timing, as Pac is about to campaign for political office and his reputation is even more important to him than usual at present. I realised the fight would be killed long before it formally died, because of the way Floyd was going about the negotiations and with the smear campaign; and Floyd is an intelligent man, so he should have been capable of realising it too.

But Pac is also in the wrong because he should have risen above all that and made the fight anyway. Mayweather's behaviour was pathetic but Pac should have laughed it off. It was a fight that the sport needed, and Pac owed it to all boxing fans to make it happen. Killing it for the sake of his feelings is just wrong. But that's how Pac is and has always been. He was willing to kill the De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto fights for the sake of his feelings, and it was entirely predictable that he would do the same this time unless Mayweather backed down.

So they're both to blame, but there is still no rational reason to suspect Pac of anything more than being a very bad negotiator, who lets his feelings cloud his judgement.

Seriously, who walks away from a guaranteed 30mil, to fight for 4 million.

He was equally willing to walk away from the De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto fights. He is not particularly motivated by money (except in the sense that he wants a fair purse share, but that's about self-respect, not money as such). He is already a multi-millionaire, and after a childhood in which he was a homeless vagrant, and in a country where the majority of the population is extremely poor by Western standards, money simply doesn't motivate him the way it motivates some other fighters.

[jayhova29]

Well said on you post..most of the people that is using the allegations of roid use are GAYWEATHER NUT HUGGERS, N******, mexican haters that got their mexicans champs beaten by PACQUIAO (some of them at least now acknowledges that PACQUIAO is a damn good figher, mexicans that is) or dumbass people that doubted PACQUIAO and put money on HATTON, DE LA HOYA AND COTTO and lost money..JAY Z is one of them...look at his reaction at ringside when PACQUIAO knockout HATTON cold..you can see this black guy with shades reaction..that was JAY Z sitting second row ringside. Bottom line there are more people that respects PACQUIAO's accomplishments in boxing than GAYWEATHER...

First off no need to get racist, gay weather nut huggers, opinion, ******s,mexican haters, did a ***** **** your wife, then run off with a mexican. All this hatred cause people dont feel the way you do about Pacquiao. Let me show you how to hold an argument without being racist sounding defensive because in your heart like manny other Pac-tards, they cant explain why he didnt agree to 14 days because its more than fair.

By the way people might respect Manny's accomplishments over the last 2 to 3 years more than mayweather, cause if you look at the overall career, your boy has been knocked out twiced, and out boxed twiced. Do i think pacquiao is on steroids, i can't say yes or no. However what i do know is that had he just said **** you and walked, then nobody would complain. It's when Mayweather (who according to Bob Arum, is difficult to negotiate with) agrees to all the terms you stipulate in the contract, and you baby sit around the one clause that he has in his makes it seem like 1. you never really expected mayweather to accept or 2. you never really wanted to fight him.

[jayhova29]

Arum's a prick and says all sorts of ****** things. Roach is an all time great trainer but he, too, is a prick at times and sometimes says ****** things. But it is not rational to be su****ious of Pac because of some idiotic things that Arum, and to a lesser extent, Roach have said.

Bottom line, both fighters are in the wrong.

Mayweather was wrong in the way he conducted the negotiations. Given Pac's personality, background and known insecurities regarding self-respect, it was completely predictable that conducting the negotiations in that way, with a smear campaign against Pac's reputation, would lead to the fight being killed - especially given the timing, as Pac is about to campaign for political office and his reputation is even more important to him than usual at present. I realised the fight would be killed long before it formally died, because of the way Floyd was going about the negotiations and with the smear campaign; and Floyd is an intelligent man, so he should have been capable of realising it too.

But Pac is also in the wrong because he should have risen above all that and made the fight anyway. Mayweather's behaviour was pathetic but Pac should have laughed it off. It was a fight that the sport needed, and Pac owed it to all boxing fans to make it happen. Killing it for the sake of his feelings is just wrong. But that's how Pac is and has always been. He was willing to kill both the De La Hoya and the Hatton fights for the sake of his feelings, and it was entirely predictable that he would do the same this time unless Mayweather backed down.

So they're both to blame, but there is still no rational reason to suspect Pac of anything more than being a very bad negotiator.



He was equally willing to walk away from the De La Hoya and Hatton fights. He is not particularly motivated by money (except in the sense that he wants a fair purse share, but that's about self-respect, not money as such). He is already a multi-millionaire, and after a childhood in which he was a homeless vagrant, and in a country where the majority of the population is extremely poor by Western standards, money simply doesn't motivate him the way it motivates some other fighters.

Its hard to argue if he was going to walk away from hatton and de la hoya when the fight happened. Fact of the matter is is that mayweather didnt ask for additional testing, pacquaio would've signed. Not to mention, his camp changed stances so many times its hard to believe them. People here like Manny, so its not like there would be people rooting for that, the way you pac-tards are DYING to see floyd lose. But for a lot of american fans, that embraced this fighter from overseas like he was one of our own just want to know if you were willing to take a test right after the fight, why do you feel 14days before is unfair. YOu know in your heart that doesnt add up. Mayweather's position on why he asked for this testing has always stayed the same, and unlike his dad, he never said that Pacquiao is on steroids. He just said you dont go from being an ordinary fighter, to extraordinary while moving up in weight.

[Dave Rado]

Its hard to argue if he was going to walk away from hatton and de la hoya when the fight happened.

They happened because De La Hoya and Hatton backed down. Pac did pull out of both fights. If DLH and Hatton hadn't backed down, those fights would never have happened. If Cotto hadn't backed down over his title being on the line, that fight wouldn't have happened either.

if you were willing to take a test right after the fight, why do you feel 14days before is unfair.

The 14 day offer wasn't made until after the negotiations had already broken down. Pac was too angry by then to be willing to make any more concessions.

The regime he did agree to was still the strongest drug testing regime that any professional boxer had ever agreed to up to then. Most drug experts do not think any fighter could get a meaningful advantage by taking steroids only in the last 24 days (especially given that they'd have to be completely out of the boxer's blood by the day of the fight). So you could equally ask: why was 24 days unfair? It wasn't. 14 would have been even better, but 24 was also fair. And Pac would have agreed to 14 days if they offer had been made during the negotiations instead of after they had already broken down acrimoniously; and if Floyd had withdrawn all his accusations and apologised for them.

unlike his dad, he never said that Pacquiao is on steroids. He just said you dont go from being an ordinary fighter, to extraordinary while moving up in weight.

That's totally disingenious. In other words, he was saying that he's on steroids. What other conclusion could anyone possibly draw from those words, in their context??? (And Pac was never an ordinary fighter).

[jayhova29]

They happened because De La Hoya and Hatton backed down. Pac did pull out of both fights. If DLH and Hatton hadn't backed down, those fights would never have happened.



The 14 day offer wasn't made until after the negotiations had already broken down. Pac was too angry by then to be willing to make any more concessions.

The regime he did agree to was still the strongest drug testing regime that any professional boxer had ever agreed to up to then. Most drug experts do not think any fighter could get a meaningful advantage by taking steroids only in the last 24 days (especially given that they'd have to be completely out of the boxer's blood by the day of the fight). So you could equally ask: why was 24 days unfair? It wasn't. 14 would have been even better, but 24 was also fair. And Pac would have agreed to 14 days if they offer had been made during the negotiations instead of after they had already broken down acrimoniously; and if Floyd had withdrawn all his accusations and apologised for them.



That's totally disingenious. In other words, he was saying that he's on steroids. What other conclusion could anyone possibly draw from those words, in their context???

the 1st part of that statement is not true, when the 14 day proposal was made, it was the day the had the mediator there to oversee negotiations. Bob arum wanted you to believe that the 14 day proposal never existed. When it was mentioned to Arum that mayweather said he countered his 24 day cut off with a 14 day one, and that the offer still stands, he still declined. Bottom line is that, if he knew he wasnt going to take the test, he should've never entertained the thought, walked away, and nobody would've said a word, but mayweather was scared. BUt when you have one ego in (mayweather) bending over backwards to agree to terms he felt was unfair, and have another ego (arum) trying to whisper **** in Manny's ear that he should walk after he pretended that he was willing to participate in O.S.T then people wouldnt be su****ous. Think about, the only demand mayweather made was for this style of testing, which may be odd, but so was manny's clause that stated mayweather must pay 10mil per pound every pound he was over weight. Mayweather didnt *****, because he knew come fight night he wouldnt be. They rejected the only demand he made, while mayweather bent over backwards, to work around his election date, and everything else manny wanted.

[Dave Rado]

the 1st part of that statement is not true, when the 14 day proposal was made, it was the day the had the mediator there to oversee negotiations. .

I don't believe that. It wasn't until several days after the mediation had failed that Mayweather's team first mentioned the 14 day offer publicly. During those several days they had come under severe media criticism for not agreeing to Pac's 24 day compromise (down from 30 days). They could have responded to that criticism by saying that they had offered him 14 days and been turned down. But they didn't, even in interviews - until several days later. So I simply don't believe their claim that they made the 14 day offer during the negotiations. They said that later, to save face.