M. Moorer Best Light HW Ever

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lookign at ezzard charles record, he really has only beat archie moore and joey maxim there, also he has never won a light heavy title, it seems to me that charles had a better career at heavy then light heavy maybe we should take him off the list

ONLY archie moore?

are you serious? he only beat the fighter with the most KOs in boxing history every time they met

this ezzard charles must have been a nobody...

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Dariusz Michalczewski is a top 10 all time Light Heayweight. 24 title defences of WBO belt 21 by KO, and he beat all the champions Virgil Hill who had WBA IBF and Rochigiani who had the WBC. Virgil Hill is also a top 10 all time Lt Heavyweight.

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Moorer isn't near the top 15 lt. heavyweights of all-time. His record might look nice, but just look at the opposition. Not hall of fame material.

Lt. heavyweights that were greater than Moorer (no particular order)

1. Ezzard Charles
2. Archie Moore
3. Michael Spinks
4. Sam Langford
5. Bob Foster
6. Gene Tunney
7. Tommy Loughran
8. Billy Conn
9. Maxie Rosenbloom
10. Harold Johnson
11. Roy Jones
12. Matthew Saad Muhammad
13. Jimmy Bivins
14. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
15. Bob Fitzsimmons
16. Joey Maxim
17. Victor Galindez

...and many, many more.

is qawi included in your many, many more?
he would definitely made my list in the ones better than MM, also how do you rate tunney and charles?
I always change my mind on the subject, and I have trouble with the 175 division in general: it had a lot of great champs, but there are only a few eras with more than one great 175er: 40s, early 80s

but like someone said earlier, so many possibly great 175er moved on to HW bcos of money,
byrd & moorer both had a great potential but in terms of achievements they are definitely not comparable to the greats

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is qawi included in your many, many more?
he would definitely made my list in the ones better than DM, also how do you rate tunney and charles?
I always change my mind on the subject, and I have trouble with the 175 division in general: it had a lot of great champs, but there are only a few eras with more than one great 175er: 40s, early 80s

didn't quawi fight almost entire carreer at cruiser.

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Quawi had 4 title defences at Lt Heavyweight before loosing to Michael Spinks. But you rate him above Michalczewski who had 24 title defences 21 by KO and unified the belts practically. that is quite ridiculous.

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didn't quawi fight almost entire carreer at cruiser.

I think 50-50 and after the holy fights he was not the same, so his prime would mostly be at 175

by the way in the previous post I meant double m, but than i realized it looked exactly like darius m, and I had to change it

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I think 50-50 and after the holy fights he was not the same, so his prime would mostly be at 175

by the way in the previous post I meant double m, but than i realized it looked exactly like darius m, and I had to change it

He fought Holyfield way after he left the Lt Heavyweight and went to cruiser. His last fight at Lt Heavy was in 1983 he fougth Holyfield hte first time at Cruiser in 1987.

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Quawi is maybe an all time great top 10 cruiserweight but no way an all time great Light Heavyweight.

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Oh Quawi had 4 title defences at Lt Heavyweight before loosing to Michael Spinks. But you rate him above Michalczewski. that is quite ridiculous. After he lost to Spinks he left Lt heavy forever.

anyway I rank him above dm and I don't know about jones, too

in those days there were 4 great 175er... they were so good, that one went on to cruiserweight champ, one went to on to be HW lineal champ.

and they gave hell one another for a few years, then spinks ruled and they all moved up/retired

level of opposition makes a difference for me, DM never fought someone like spinks or saad muhammad

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He fought Holyfield way after he left the Lt Heavyweight and went to cruiser. His last fight at Lt Heavy was in 1983 he fougth Holyfield hte first time at Cruiser in 1987.

yea, and after those fights he was not the same, so most of his prime is at 175, which is exactly what I said