Why wasn't there any su****ion about Juan Manuel Marquez?

[Vasyl’s dad]

Why are you accusing me of spamming your thread? I'm just giving you my two cents. So what if JMM hadn't KOd his previous opponents before he moved up. Did Pac KO Barrera in the rematch (a Barrera that just showed up for a paycheck at that)? Who has Rocky Juarez been stopped by? And you must think this steroid possibility must only apply to JMM once he moved up to 135, because Pac outweighed him by like 5 to 10 lbs on fight night in the rematch. What I'm saying is, JMM definitely wouldn't have been on anything at 130 likely (unless it was a drug for making weight). Also, Casamayor isn't exactly this iron chinned fighter, so that is why this thread sucks.

Do you truly not understand the thesis of this thread?

I'm sure you're not that ******, thats why you get the spamming label here.


I've asked you twice now, and you've failed to answer with anything relevant.

and no, you're not giving your two cents, you're saying I'm turning the attention to JMM, but thats not quite the case. Hes been used as an example of someone who could easily have been suspected of foul play,

but for whatever reason,

wasn't.

Now, would you like to address that, or hit the road, jack, because you haven't said anything in regards to why one fighter is suspected and not the other.



Can you also tell me when Casa was KOd before the JMM bout?


No, you can't, because its never happened. Same as Diaz.

However, both Hatton and Cotto were stopped prior to being beat by Pac.


But if this thread sucks, why are you in here? I've always found it rather strange when people go into threads they don't like and complain about them.


Now that I think about it a bit more, you might not be all that bright.

[Iceta Lives]

But, he has never been stopped before?

Didn't he get knocked out of the ring in the fight with Katsidis before JMM KOd him?

[Vasyl’s dad]

Didn't he get knocked out of the ring in the fight with Katsidis before JMM KOd him?

Was the fight stopped?

No, Casa won, by KO.


bye.

[jrosales13]

Didn't he get knocked out of the ring in the fight with Katsidis before JMM KOd him?

Casa won that fight by KO right? So how is that a KO lost? I will ask again has Casa ever been KO'd before?

[F l i c k e r]

In his first two fights at lightweight,

at the age of

35,

he knocked out two guys who had never been stopped before.


Why suspect the guy that JMM, in many eyes, beat?

But not JMM.

Somethings fishy about suspecting one man over the other.

Lol, let me see.......... because JMM was NEVER a legit threat.

Pacquiao is a threat, Mayweather tried to push Pacquiao's buttons and.....................


IT WORKED.



Because now, Pacquiao refused a drug test and looks like something is fishy in his camp.


If Tiger Woods, Roger Federer, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Tom Brady, Ray Lewis, Darrell Revis, Derek Jeter, or Bolt Husain would refuse a drug test, the same accusations would have happened.

The difference? All those guys would have been either suspended, taken to court, or forced to take a drug test. Pacquiao would just walk with a tarnished name and fight someone else (like he has done).

[Vasyl’s dad]

Lol, let me see.......... because JMM was NEVER a legit threat.

Pacquiao is a threat, Mayweather tried to push Pacquiao's buttons and.....................


IT WORKED.



Because now, Pacquiao refused a drug test and looks like something is fishy in his camp.


If Tiger Woods, Roger Federer, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Tom Brady, Ray Lewis or Darrell Revis would refuse a drug test, the same accusations would have happened.

The difference? All those guys would have been either suspended, taken to court, or forced to take a drug test. Pacquiao would just walk with a tarnished name and fight someone else (like he has done).

I can accept that, because Pac posed an actual threat.

The rest of your post,

well, when all of those athletes can pick and choose their opponents,

then I'll see the relevancy of bringing them up.

But as of now,

all of their opponents are scheduled by their respective leagues.

I'd say, "nice try", but it really wasn't.

[jrosales13]

The difference? All those guys would have been either suspended, taken to court, or forced to take a drug test. Pacquiao would just walk with a tarnished name and fight someone else (like he has done).

How would all those guys get suspended, taken to court, or forced to take a drug test that they are not required to? Explained that.... Now you're right if they refuse to take a test that they are required to. But, Pac has never refused to take a test that he is required to. Matter of fact Pac went far and beyond of what he is required to... Think about that for a second. He went far and beyond that he is required to...

[F l i c k e r]

I can accept that, because Pac posed an actual threat.

The rest of your post,

well, when all of those athletes can pick and choose their opponents,

then I'll see the relevancy of bringing them up.

But as of now,

all of their opponents are scheduled by their respective leagues.

I'd say, "nice try", but it really wasn't.

I was using other major athletes as examples. Pacquiao is a major athlete so when a drug test is demanded and Pacquiao says "no". It should be no surprise about the backlash.

How would all those guys get suspended, taken to court, or forced to take a drug test that they are not required to? Explained that.... Now you're right if they refuse to take a test that they are required to. But, Pac has never refused to take a test that he is required to. Matter of fact Pac went far and beyond of what he is required to... Think about that for a second. He went far and beyond that he is required to...

Doesn't matter if he wasn't required to. Mayweather wanted it apart of the contract, Pacquiao said no. The backlash was going to happen because he said no. It's apart of the game. I don't see how you are tortilla warrior can't understand that. When your a superstar and you say no to things like drug test (required or not), the backlash is bound to happen.

I stated from the beginning of the whole fiasco.

If Pacquiao would have just said YES. Mayweather would be the one looking like the bad guy, as if he was bitching out and Pacquiao wouldn't even be fazed. But that didn't happen, thats why Pacquiao is getting more of the backlash.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I was using other major athletes as examples. Pacquiao is a major athlete so when a drug test is demanded and Pacquiao says "no". It should be no surprise about the backlash.



Doesn't matter if he wasn't required to. Mayweather wanted it apart of the contract, Pacquiao said no. The backlash was going to happen because he said no. It's apart of the game. I don't see how you are tortilla warrior can't understand that. When your a superstar and you say no to things like drug test (required or not), the backlash is bound to happen.

I stated from the beginning of the whole fiasco.

If Pacquiao would have just said YES. Mayweather would be the one looking like the bad guy, as if he was bitching out and Pacquiao wouldn't even be fazed. But that didn't happen, thats why Pacquiao is getting more of the backlash.

Again major names or not, do you not see the tremendous differences in being able to choose your opponent, as opposed to having a league set up your opponents for you?

When Pac doesn't take the mandated tests hes required to, then I'll see a problem.


If Floyd would have just agreed to fight the fight like he has his past 40, he'd have been able to prove that facing Pac was indeed an "easy fight, and easy work".

But he didn't. He walked away from millions because of a ridiculous demand.




btw, the ovewhelming majority of backlash is coming from Floyd fans.


I wonder why?

[jrosales13]

Doesn't matter if he wasn't required to. Mayweather wanted it apart of the contract, Pacquiao said no. The backlash was going to happen because he said no. It's apart of the game. I don't see how you are tortilla warrior can't understand that. When your a superstar and you say no to things like drug test (required or not), the backlash is bound to happen.

I stated from the beginning of the whole fiasco.

If Pacquiao would have just said YES. Mayweather would be the one looking like the bad guy, as if he was bitching out and Pacquiao wouldn't even be fazed. But that didn't happen, thats why Pacquiao is getting more of the backlash.

That is fine but I also wanted to point out that Thomas Hearns asked Ray Leonard to take a steroid test and there was no backlash... I also wanted to point out that Zab Judah ask Shane Mosley for blood testing. And, lets remember that Shane had admitted of taking PED's and still said no. And, there was no backlash... But, for a strange reason there is for Pac. And, I don't understand why? Especially since Pac did agree of going far and beyond what he is required to...