Comments Thread For: Arum, Schaefer Agree: Floyd Sr. Comments are Idiotic

[miron_lang]

Everything we need to know about Shane-Floyd will be at the conference on Tuesday.

I Hope so.

Pacquiao cant rob fans of this fight. It would be a shame.

I will happen eventually. I hope

[miron_lang]

I dont think anyone, not me or anyone else, would have thought pac would say no to random testing. No athelete in the spotlight has ever refused such a thing.

Are you serious? Pac has taken all required tests from the authorities. This is the 1st time a fighter is demanding another fighter for new sets of tests.

Did this ever happened before?

Only because pacs stature and the fact that in his home country he can get away with doing so, is why this is even a debatable issue.

Alot of you complain that "if pac was american hed be so much bigger"

if pac was american and he did what hes doing now, theyd crucify him to the wall. With all the steroid allegations that get thrown around on our sportsman, anyone trying to avoid a potential test to clarify the issue, is as good as guilty here in the united states.

But pac is held to a different standard, and the fact that we have to argue about taking a goddamn test shows that.

With that. PAC must be singled out? Go to the commision and tell them to require the appropriate tests if that's what they believed.

IMO the tests is just a way for Floyd to get into pac's head but it blew up in their faces.

[El Jesus]

Are you serious? Pac has taken all required tests from the authorities. This is the 1st time a fighter is demanding another fighter for new sets of tests.

Did this ever happened before?



With that. PAC must be singled out? Go to the commision and tell them to require the appropriate tests if that's what they believed.

IMO the tests is just a way for Floyd to get into pac's head but it blew up in their faces.

None of the testing is random, floyd is asking for random tests. The comission tests, you know when they are coming, there are just too many ways to pass it, especially for someone with alot of money and the right people around him to get him through it.

Goign to the comission does nothing, fights are negotiated on a case by case basis, the commission has no say so in fight purses, weight penalties, etc. Their tests by the account of many experts are a joke.

And no, it hasnt blown up in floyds face. People with intimate knowledge of whats happening who arent diehard pac fans generally wonder why pac wont agree to random testing.

By all means, it hasnt destroyed pacs image, but it hasnt hurt floyd neither. I dont see how it "blew up in his face"


And no, pac isnt being singled out since mosley has agreed to the same tests. If mayweather did it to save face it doesnt matter, he did it.

Its ok for pacquiao to impose his demands on everyone else, but he cant bend on something for floyd. You all make excuses like "pac wont floyd control him or call the shots!!" you have to give and take, and no matter how much you hate mayweather, he bent on alot of things we thought he wouldnt.

This olympic testing **** was written about back in november, and nobody made an issue of it until pac refused and it was time to cop pleas for him.

[koboy]

None of the testing is random, floyd is asking for random tests. The comission tests, you know when they are coming, there are just too many ways to pass it, especially for someone with alot of money and the right people around him to get him through it.

Goign to the comission does nothing, fights are negotiated on a case by case basis, the commission has no say so in fight purses, weight penalties, etc. Their tests by the account of many experts are a joke.

And no, it hasnt blown up in floyds face. People with intimate knowledge of whats happening who arent diehard pac fans generally wonder why pac wont agree to random testing.

By all means, it hasnt destroyed pacs image, but it hasnt hurt floyd neither. I dont see how it "blew up in his face"


And no, pac isnt being singled out since mosley has agreed to the same tests. If mayweather did it to save face it doesnt matter, he did it.

Its ok for pacquiao to impose his demands on everyone else, but he cant bend on something for floyd. You all make excuses like "pac wont floyd control him or call the shots!!" you have to give and take, and no matter how much you hate mayweather, he bent on alot of things we thought he wouldnt.

This olympic testing **** was written about back in november, and nobody made an issue of it until pac refused and it was time to cop pleas for him.

Honest question. Do you think Pac will refuse random testing if ever it becomes NSAC rules?

[miron_lang]

Honest question. Do you think Pac will refuse random testing if ever it becomes NSAC rules?

El Jesus

Yeah You made some valid points. But as Koboy asked. Do you think Pac will refuse the test if the commision mandates it?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

El Jesus

Yeah You made some valid points. But as Koboy asked. Do you think Pac will refuse the test if the commision mandates it?

Yes.

Problem is. How can it be mandated by NSAC? How they are gon do it: Championship fights, ranked fights, eliminators, etc... There are too many fights held in Vegas for every fight to have OST's.

It starts with the fighters. Its a contract thing not a commission thing.

[El Jesus]

Honest question. Do you think Pac will refuse random testing if ever it becomes NSAC rules?

The commission isnt going to put in the time or the money into something like this unless there is a serious lobby for it. Untimely commissions are corrupt and they will do whatever the promoters push for. Most promoters arent going to push for something that increases the chance of their fighter being caught with a banned substance.

And you had better believe that if arum knows pacquiao is on something, hes going to do everything he can to block such legislation even if someone was pushing for a mandate. This is the same guy who stood by margarito even though his wraps were concrete. So long as any promoter, not just arum, has a bankable star, hes gonna do everything he can to keep that money coming.

Commissions dont change rules unless something extreme happens, like death.

Its not a simple "yes or no" question youre asking, dont mask this under 'oh well the commission doesnt ask for it"

the commission doesnt penalize 10million per pound, which is unheard of. The commission doesnt decide 50/50. The commission doesnt decide who gets stripped of a title and who doesnt. The commission doesnt decide when a fighter fights or doesnt fight. Thats all done through individual negotiation. Commissions provide a path to follow, but untimely, the fighters make the rules during negotiation.

[koboy]

Yes.

Problem is. How can it be mandated by NSAC? How they are gon do it: Championship fights, ranked fights, eliminators, etc... There are too many fights held in Vegas for every fight to have OST's.

It starts with the fighters. Its a contract thing not a commission thing.

This has got to be the dumbest post ever about this whole testing issue.

What's the point if you can't do it at any level. How is that cleaning up the sport as PBF and GBP and most *****s want to pretend. If it is only done through fighters and if both fighters agree not to have testing done, how does this clean the sport.

If they really want to clean the sport, the boxing commissions need to be involved. Wasn't this the whole point of this?

[El Jesus]

This has got to be the dumbest post ever about this whole testing issue.

What's the point if you can't do it at any level. How is that cleaning up the sport as PBF and GBP and most *****s want to pretend. If it is only done through fighters and if both fighters agree not to have testing done, how does this clean the sport.

If they really want to clean the sport, the boxing commissions need to be involved. Wasn't this the whole point of this?

I answered that already. Also, commissions take forever to implement rule changes and then on top of that, applying to the fighters themselves. They would face a ton of pressure from king, arum and golden boy NOT to do so.

Like i said, commissions only do something if someone dies or there is immense public pressure to be applied.

Like i said, the commission doesnt mandate certain rules like catchweights, weight penalties, purse splits etc

Things that fighters agree to in order to get through negotiations.

Also, dont pretend for one second that pacs team handled this well because they didnt, it was a new lie literally every day. I have never seen such a heap of bull**** from any sportsman as to why they wanted to avoid testing. It was dumb and pac and his entire team handled it like children.

For every a-side meth BS that roger and floyd sr spit, there was "im afriad of needles" "manny is ok, we just need 3 day cutoff" etc etc

The reality is that this whole thing just looks shady and unless you have pacs **** lodged into youre mouth, there is no denying they handled it wrong and untimely, the reason for why pac refused testing is seriously a mystery.

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Random: Just to give the Philippines some credibility, they have won silver and bronze medals in the Olympics before. 5 out of the 9 of them being boxing and were achieved way before Pacquiao's time.