Is Pacquiao’s career complete if he doesn’t fight Mayweather?

[joeboy1983]

Neither "needs" to fight the other, it's just that the public wants it. If they don't fight, nothing really changes. It's not like all of a sudden everyone will disregard what both have already achieved. If Pacquiao hadn't gone up in weight only about 6 people in the entire world would even think about him fighting Mayweather. It'd just be a fantasy fight in their minds.

Both are ATG's. All Time GREATS. How does a boxing journalist come up with the idea that either one of them isn't great? Weirdness. He's welcome to his opinion, but he doesn't appear to understand the term "ATG". I can't stand Mayweather, I think he's a pansy, a weirdo, and an awful example of a human being, yet I would never deny that he isn't great.

Great point, they both should want to fight each other. Just because 2 great fighters don't fight it doesn't make them any less great. Tyson never fought Ali..saying all that I do want them to fight.

[Measy1749]

Neither "needs" to fight the other, it's just that the public wants it. If they don't fight, nothing really changes. It's not like all of a sudden everyone will disregard what both have already achieved. If Pacquiao hadn't gone up in weight only about 6 people in the entire world would even think about him fighting Mayweather. It'd just be a fantasy fight in their minds.

Both are ATG's. All Time GREATS. How does a boxing journalist come up with the idea that either one of them isn't great? Weirdness. He's welcome to his opinion, but he doesn't appear to understand the term "ATG". I can't stand Mayweather, I think he's a pansy, a weirdo, and an awful example of a human being, yet I would never deny that he isn't great.

the point is one atg needs at least another atg to fight to cement his career in stone. if u look at all the other atgs they had this and manny and floyd need one too

[Va_BoriKua]

he has to fight floyd thats the biggest fight in boxing

[713832281]

pac will be ok without pbf, and pbf will be ok without pac. both of these guys are already atg's.

[Blue Heffner]

Neither "needs" to fight the other, it's just that the public wants it. If they don't fight, nothing really changes. It's not like all of a sudden everyone will disregard what both have already achieved. If Pacquiao hadn't gone up in weight only about 6 people in the entire world would even think about him fighting Mayweather. It'd just be a fantasy fight in their minds.

Both are ATG's. All Time GREATS. How does a boxing journalist come up with the idea that either one of them isn't great? Weirdness. He's welcome to his opinion, but he doesn't appear to understand the term "ATG". I can't stand Mayweather, I think he's a pansy, a weirdo, and an awful example of a human being, yet I would never deny that he isn't great.

Die hard boxing fans want to see them fight along with the general public. That makes it that much better for the sport.

No one will disregard what they've achieved. The reason people want to see them fight is because of what they've accomplished.

Pac moved up in weight. Into a class in which Mayweather exist, so it's far from a fantasy fight....don't think of "what if" Pac "never" did something, he did it, it's here.

And wtf makes him an awful example of a human being...we don't know him personally. Just like he talks ****, he also helps the homeless and gives back to the community....he is also doing a lot for the situation in Haiti and giving out free tickets to the Mosley fight. All of this is because he wants to do it, not because he's forced or expected to do it like NBA/NFL players who read off TelePrompTers.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Die hard boxing fans want to see them fight along with the general public. That makes it that much better for the sport.

No one will disregard what they've achieved. The reason people want to see them fight is because of what they've accomplished.

Pac moved up in weight. Into a class in which Mayweather exist, so it's far from a fantasy fight....don't think of "what if" Pac "never" did something, he did it, it's here.

And wtf makes him an awful example of a human being...we don't know him personally. Just like he talks ****, he also helps the homeless and gives back to the community....he is also doing a lot for the situation in Haiti and giving out free tickets to the Mosley fight. All of this is because he wants to do it, not because he's forced or expected to do it like NBA/NFL players who read off TelePrompTers.

Yeah Samuari is a joke. This aint no fantasy fight they ned to fight each other.

[corpse elf]

ANOTHER thread that pacfans dodge the FACTS...manny is NOT a great fighter hes a GOOD fighter at best..pacfans only in the bubble u live in u think manny is god..once again pacfans look silly...this is getting to easy pacfans.

[hugh grant]

Is Pacquiao’s career complete if he doesn’t fight Mayweather?
February 27th, 2010
By Esteban Garduno

In the teleconference call yesterday, World Boxing Organization welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao said the following: “I believe I don’t really need to fight Mayweather because what I have actually done in boxing right now, I think is good enough for me.” But is Pacquiao’s career really complete if he doesn’t fight Mayweather? I really don’t think it is. Pacquiao fought few recognizable opponents from the start of his career until he fought Marco Antonio Barrera for the first time in 2003. By then, Pacquiao had been fighting for eight years and had won titles in the flyweight and super bantamweight divisions.
However, didn’t take on anyone worth mentioning until he fought a battle scared Barrera in 2003. By that time in Barrera’s career, he had been through two grueling wars against Erik Morales. Pacquiao stopped Barrera in the 11th round. After that fight, Pacquiao fought to a 12 round draw with Juan Manuel Marquez. Beyond that fight, Pacquiao fought two more bouts against Morales, another fight against Barrera, which wasn’t really needed given the one-sided first bout between them.

In 2008, Pacquiao won a controversial 12 round split decision over Marquez in a rematch, a fight in which many people still think Marquez won. Pacquiao never gave Marquez a rematch. Pacquiao fought David Diaz in 2008, but he wasn’t considered to be the best fighter in the lightweight division at the time. Pacquiao then fought and beat and old Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and then most recently Miguel Cotto.

Those wins were good. However, none of those fighters were considered to be the best in their divisions at the time that Pacquiao fought them. De La Hoya was old, Hatton was more or less shot, and Cotto still hadn’t looked the same after taking a terrifying beating at the hands of Antonio Margarito in 2008.

As such, I think even with a win over Joshua Clottey, Pacquiao’s next opponent for March 13th, he needs a win over Floyd Mayweather Jr. to ensure he has a lasting legacy. The wins over Diaz, Barrera, Morales (who beat Pacquiao in their first fight), Marquez (a questionable draw and a controversial win), De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto just aren’t enough in my view to make me think that Pacquiao’s career is complete.

He just doesn’t have enough wins over fighters that were truly considered to be the very best in their weight divisions for me to see Pacquiao’s legacy as a shining one. Hatton, Cotto, Morales, Barrera and the questionable win over Marquez just isn’t enough.

Pacquiao needs to give a rematch to Marquez, still fight Mayweather and ideally Shane Mosley for me to even consider Pacquiao as a great fighter. Without wins over those fighters, then I see Pacquiao as merely a good fighter but not a great one. Unless Pacquiao can find his way into and out of those fights without losing, then I don’t rate Pacquiao as one of the best fighters of all time. I see Pacquiao as having lost to Marquez twice, and I think Mayweather and Mosley would likely beat Pacquiao as well if given the chance.

***** thread and too many of them now.
How can people say pac lost twice to JMM when the judges cheated Pac out of a win by getting a scorecard wrong?
All fighters in history have never had a long career without a few controversial decisions. In Pacs case it is no problem because the controversial decision came against a great fighter. JMM was no mexican roadsweeper.

Pac is already a great fighter and ATG, and even a controversial decision against JMM, where Pac was cheated, is not going to change that fact.

[Blue Heffner]

Technically Mayweather is just another champion.. that's +1 on Pacs win if ever they fight. Number wise, it is just 1...Basically both fighters can move on.

yeah.. yeah.. having Mayweather under Pac's resume would further boost his resume. But we can't force them to fight if Floyd does'nt want to..

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[Rocky!]

Pac has 4 lineal titles
7 division titles
no man has ever done that
Pac doesn't need Floyd, Floyd needs Pac
Pac's career is complete