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  • Schmerzen
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    #61
    Originally posted by TheGreatA
    Not anymore when he's gone. You don't think Lewis caught criticism from some of his less than exciting performances?
    not really, i think foreman was praising how great lennox jab is during the tua fight.
    10 years later foreman talked bs about floyd, called him a chicken.
    and dont forget oscar outweighed floyd by at least 15LBS on fight night, while lennox looked like tuas big brother

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    • MCVAGINA
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      #62
      Yeah he boring but I dont hate him for it.

      He fights the style that suits him best.

      Can't hate someone for that

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      • BennyST
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        #63
        Originally posted by T3dBundy
        @ BennyST

        did u watch lennox vs tua?
        lennox was 7" taller and had also big physical advantages over tua, but that didnt stop him from dancing around tua all night.

        i dont see users creating threads about how boring LL was.
        Yep, I know what you mean mate. I think Lewis was boring too though and I think he also realised, in that fight, he wasn't going to knock Tua out. As TheGreatA pointed out, Lewis used to cop a **** load of flak and hate from everyone throughout his whole career while he was fighting. He still does now.

        I don't think anyone would bash Vitali, Wlad or any other great fighter that was much bigger for taking the cautious approach against Tua or some other iron chinned, one punch KO artist by simply outboxing him. That's one of those fights in which that's the only smart approach and the only sure way of winning.

        No one would have bashed Wlad for fighting the way he does against Tua. I think it is against the more vulnerable, less powerful fighters that he may take a bit more flak for.

        The only way Tua was likely to beat one of those guys was if they didn't take a cautious approach, decided to get into a fire-fight and then got knocked out with a left hook.
        Last edited by BennyST; 02-25-2010, 05:40 AM.

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        • TheGreatA
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          #64
          Originally posted by T3dBundy
          not really, i think foreman was praising how great lennox jab is during the tua fight.
          10 years later foreman talked bs about floyd, called him a chicken.
          and dont forget oscar outweighed floyd by at least 15LBS on fight night, while lennox looked like tuas big brother
          George Foreman says a lot of things though.

          Also it'd be wrong to say that only people in the US find Wladimir's fights dull to watch:



          Fedor Emelianenko interview in Kiev, Ukraine.

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          • Dynamite Kid
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            #65
            Originally posted by Earl-Hickey
            Vitali is, in my mind "the uncrowned champion" of the H/W division, were he and Wlad not brothers, Vitali would have taken him out by now.

            That said, Wladamir is the 2nd best fighter, and the reason a lot of his fights are "boring" is because his opponents don't come to fight, they come to spoil and be defensive and try to survive, if his opponents opened up and attacked the fights would be more exciting, than just watching Wlad tee off.

            Not Wlads fault, his opponents.
            Agree with the first part but i believe his opponents do try to win, Wlad just shuts them down offensively.

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            • JAB5239
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              #66
              Originally posted by TheGreatA
              Probably. Here's Ring Magazine's top 50 punchers:

              1. Joe Louis
              2. Sam Langford
              3. Jimmy Wilde
              4. Archie Moore
              5. Sandy Saddler
              6. Stanley Ketchell
              7. Jack Dempsey
              8. Bob Fitzsimmons
              9. George Foreman
              10. Earnie Shavers
              11. Sugar Ray Robinson
              12. Ruben Olivares
              13. Wilfredo Gomez
              14. Rocky Marciano
              15. Sonny Liston
              16. Mike Tyson
              17. Bob Foster
              18. Thomas Hearns
              19. Khaosai Galaxy
              20. Alexis Arguello
              21. Carlos Zarate
              22. Max Baer
              23. Rocky Graziano
              24. Matthew Saad Muhammad
              25. Julian Jackson
              26. Danny Lopez
              27. Gerald McClellan
              28. Roberto Duran
              29. Rodrigo Valdez
              30. Felix Trinidad
              31. Pipino Cuevas
              32. Jim Jefferies
              33. Lennox Lewis
              34. Bennie Briscoe
              35. Marvin Hagler
              36. Edwin Rosario
              37. Tommy Ryan
              38. John Mugabi
              39. Joe Frazier
              40. Carlos Monzon
              41. Tony Zale
              42. Michael Spinks
              43. Joe Gans
              44. Elmer Ray
              45. George Godfrey
              46. Naseem Hamed
              47. Alfonso Zamora
              48. David Tua
              49. Cleveland Williams
              50. Julio Cesar Chavez

              Sandy Saddler could be a bore, Lewis could at times but Wladimir has been the least exciting for the past 3-4 years. I enjoy watching his earlier fights though and appreciate his effectiveness, but fights like Wladimir vs Ibragimov, Chagaev, Rahman aren't ones that I'll be reviewing any time soon.
              Originally posted by BennyST
              I do agree with you, but I also agree with Jab. I think for a guy that has such power and such a dominant physical presence over his opponents, he fights like someone that is smaller and doesn't have much power at all. It's the kind of thing in which you might ask yourself "Would Malignaggi fight the way he does if he possessed more power than everyone in his division?" I don't know if he would. I doubt it, but even he's been in more exciting fights than Wlad. It's just his style though and he wins very well with it.

              The difference between these guys is that Wright and Hopkins didn't have such huge physical advantages nor were they big punchers. In Winky's case, he was very weak in fact but still often got into a brawl and never shied away from a fight. He won his fights with what he had though, and that was a great jab, skills, and little power.

              Still, I think, as usual, many people are misconstruing what Jab is trying to ask. He is not saying Wlad is ****. He is saying that for a guy with such incredible power and being the best of his era at HW, is there anyone that knocks his opponents in a more boring fashion? I think it's perfectly valid argument.

              When you think of guys with the KO ratio of Wlad, you think of non stop aggressive animals that just wade in and brawl looking for the KO with every shot. Pavlik-esque type fighter or Margarito etc. Wlad is the complete opposite though and if nothing else it makes for an interesting comparison, which was the point of this thread. Stop taking it so personally. Geeeeez...

              Anyway, to answer the question Jab....No.

              Edit: Just on another point, I think a lot of the criticism on the technical aspect of his game is that while he is a good fighter, he is also very awkward to watch. A guy like Hopkins is beautiful to watch from a purely technical view, even if he is boring. He is like poetry in motion in terms of boxing, whereas Wlad is all flailing limbs and looks uncoordinated, though he isn't of course. That alone, for me anyway, makes him difficult and a bit boring to watch. If I was going to watch a guy for his technical skill it would be someone that was great to watch in his movements, his fluidity, the precision and preciseness of all his movements.
              Finally some logical responses. Thank you gentlemen.

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              • JAB5239
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                #67
                Originally posted by T3dBundy
                i think u have an anversion to east european fighters.
                the ppl in usa were used to see black american fighters dominate the division, since tyson&holyfield left, there is not really a great hw from the us.
                the other great fighters like floyd get overshadowed by the political movement (pacquiao) of the philippines.
                wlad is the best thing happened to boxing, without him the hw division would be even more boring.
                it just makes fun to watch him destroy all those big mouth bums, i hope he fights david haye soon, so we can see a fight at eye level.
                its funny, back then the government could afford to bann a fighter like ali, i bet today they wouldnt.
                im just happy wladimir is not a filipino, they would have make a greek god out of him.

                You think I have an aversion to Easter European fighters because I think Wlad is boring? This has nothing to do with race, color, religion or country my man. It has to do with a fighter have the size and tools to be explosive and not taking advantage of them. Like I said though, as long as he keeps winning he should stick with what works. It just doesn't endear itself to me.

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                • The_Demon
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Spray_resistant
                  Is that the case really? Is it possible that the HW division is as it has been for over 100 years no better no worse with a few guys head and shoulders above the rest and then the distant contenders followed by journeymen?

                  If the K-bros were not around would ppl be talking about the stacked and competitive HW division? Because that is what it would seem like it is today.

                  Is it all all possible that most of these Klitschko victims are good fighters but just seem lousy next to the K-bros?

                  This is what I think.
                  the HW division is weaker than its ever been in terms of talent

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                  • wazaa.
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                    #69
                    Simpe answer: No. Wlad is the most boring heavyweight KO artist.

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