Is Wlad the most.................

[Schmerzen]

Not anymore when he's gone. You don't think Lewis caught criticism from some of his less than exciting performances?

not really, i think foreman was praising how great lennox jab is during the tua fight.
10 years later foreman talked bs about floyd, called him a chicken.
and dont forget oscar outweighed floyd by at least 15LBS on fight night, while lennox looked like tuas big brother

[MCVAGINA]

Yeah he boring but I dont hate him for it.

He fights the style that suits him best.

Can't hate someone for that

[BennyST]

@ BennyST

did u watch lennox vs tua?
lennox was 7" taller and had also big physical advantages over tua, but that didnt stop him from dancing around tua all night.

i dont see users creating threads about how boring LL was.

Yep, I know what you mean mate. I think Lewis was boring too though and I think he also realised, in that fight, he wasn't going to knock Tua out. As TheGreatA pointed out, Lewis used to cop a **** load of flak and hate from everyone throughout his whole career while he was fighting. He still does now.

I don't think anyone would bash Vitali, Wlad or any other great fighter that was much bigger for taking the cautious approach against Tua or some other iron chinned, one punch KO artist by simply outboxing him. That's one of those fights in which that's the only smart approach and the only sure way of winning.

No one would have bashed Wlad for fighting the way he does against Tua. I think it is against the more vulnerable, less powerful fighters that he may take a bit more flak for.

The only way Tua was likely to beat one of those guys was if they didn't take a cautious approach, decided to get into a fire-fight and then got knocked out with a left hook.

[TheGreatA]

not really, i think foreman was praising how great lennox jab is during the tua fight.
10 years later foreman talked bs about floyd, called him a chicken.
and dont forget oscar outweighed floyd by at least 15LBS on fight night, while lennox looked like tuas big brother

George Foreman says a lot of things though.

Also it'd be wrong to say that only people in the US find Wladimir's fights dull to watch:



Fedor Emelianenko interview in Kiev, Ukraine.

[Dynamite Kid]

Vitali is, in my mind "the uncrowned champion" of the H/W division, were he and Wlad not brothers, Vitali would have taken him out by now.

That said, Wladamir is the 2nd best fighter, and the reason a lot of his fights are "boring" is because his opponents don't come to fight, they come to spoil and be defensive and try to survive, if his opponents opened up and attacked the fights would be more exciting, than just watching Wlad tee off.

Not Wlads fault, his opponents.

Agree with the first part but i believe his opponents do try to win, Wlad just shuts them down offensively.

[JAB5239]

Probably. Here's Ring Magazine's top 50 punchers:

1. Joe Louis
2. Sam Langford
3. Jimmy Wilde
4. Archie Moore
5. Sandy Saddler
6. Stanley Ketchell
7. Jack Dempsey
8. Bob Fitzsimmons
9. George Foreman
10. Earnie Shavers
11. Sugar Ray Robinson
12. Ruben Olivares
13. Wilfredo Gomez
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Sonny Liston
16. Mike Tyson
17. Bob Foster
18. Thomas Hearns
19. Khaosai Galaxy
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Carlos Zarate
22. Max Baer
23. Rocky Graziano
24. Matthew Saad Muhammad
25. Julian Jackson
26. Danny Lopez
27. Gerald McClellan
28. Roberto Duran
29. Rodrigo Valdez
30. Felix Trinidad
31. Pipino Cuevas
32. Jim Jefferies
33. Lennox Lewis
34. Bennie Briscoe
35. Marvin Hagler
36. Edwin Rosario
37. Tommy Ryan
38. John Mugabi
39. Joe Frazier
40. Carlos Monzon
41. Tony Zale
42. Michael Spinks
43. Joe Gans
44. Elmer Ray
45. George Godfrey
46. Naseem Hamed
47. Alfonso Zamora
48. David Tua
49. Cleveland Williams
50. Julio Cesar Chavez

Sandy Saddler could be a bore, Lewis could at times but Wladimir has been the least exciting for the past 3-4 years. I enjoy watching his earlier fights though and appreciate his effectiveness, but fights like Wladimir vs Ibragimov, Chagaev, Rahman aren't ones that I'll be reviewing any time soon.

I do agree with you, but I also agree with Jab. I think for a guy that has such power and such a dominant physical presence over his opponents, he fights like someone that is smaller and doesn't have much power at all. It's the kind of thing in which you might ask yourself "Would Malignaggi fight the way he does if he possessed more power than everyone in his division?" I don't know if he would. I doubt it, but even he's been in more exciting fights than Wlad. It's just his style though and he wins very well with it.

The difference between these guys is that Wright and Hopkins didn't have such huge physical advantages nor were they big punchers. In Winky's case, he was very weak in fact but still often got into a brawl and never shied away from a fight. He won his fights with what he had though, and that was a great jab, skills, and little power.

Still, I think, as usual, many people are misconstruing what Jab is trying to ask. He is not saying Wlad is ****. He is saying that for a guy with such incredible power and being the best of his era at HW, is there anyone that knocks his opponents in a more boring fashion? I think it's perfectly valid argument.

When you think of guys with the KO ratio of Wlad, you think of non stop aggressive animals that just wade in and brawl looking for the KO with every shot. Pavlik-esque type fighter or Margarito etc. Wlad is the complete opposite though and if nothing else it makes for an interesting comparison, which was the point of this thread. Stop taking it so personally. Geeeeez...

Anyway, to answer the question Jab....No.

Edit: Just on another point, I think a lot of the criticism on the technical aspect of his game is that while he is a good fighter, he is also very awkward to watch. A guy like Hopkins is beautiful to watch from a purely technical view, even if he is boring. He is like poetry in motion in terms of boxing, whereas Wlad is all flailing limbs and looks uncoordinated, though he isn't of course. That alone, for me anyway, makes him difficult and a bit boring to watch. If I was going to watch a guy for his technical skill it would be someone that was great to watch in his movements, his fluidity, the precision and preciseness of all his movements.

Finally some logical responses. Thank you gentlemen.

[JAB5239]

i think u have an anversion to east european fighters.
the ppl in usa were used to see black american fighters dominate the division, since tyson&holyfield left, there is not really a great hw from the us.
the other great fighters like floyd get overshadowed by the political movement (pacquiao) of the philippines.
wlad is the best thing happened to boxing, without him the hw division would be even more boring.
it just makes fun to watch him destroy all those big mouth bums, i hope he fights david haye soon, so we can see a fight at eye level.
its funny, back then the government could afford to bann a fighter like ali, i bet today they wouldnt.
im just happy wladimir is not a filipino, they would have make a greek god out of him.

You think I have an aversion to Easter European fighters because I think Wlad is boring? This has nothing to do with race, color, religion or country my man. It has to do with a fighter have the size and tools to be explosive and not taking advantage of them. Like I said though, as long as he keeps winning he should stick with what works. It just doesn't endear itself to me.

[The_Demon]

Is that the case really? Is it possible that the HW division is as it has been for over 100 years no better no worse with a few guys head and shoulders above the rest and then the distant contenders followed by journeymen?

If the K-bros were not around would ppl be talking about the stacked and competitive HW division? Because that is what it would seem like it is today.

Is it all all possible that most of these Klitschko victims are good fighters but just seem lousy next to the K-bros?

This is what I think.

the HW division is weaker than its ever been in terms of talent

[wazaa.]

Simpe answer: No. Wlad is the most boring heavyweight KO artist.