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  • Agent Mulder
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    #31
    Originally posted by PAC-BOY
    There is no pressure on Pac. Put yourself in his shoes just for a second...
    you are the Champ
    you are the P4P champ
    you were accused of something
    disrespected
    you have done great in your career
    you busted your ass and worked hard
    you made and have lots of money already
    you also have a team of supporters and handlers with you that advise you

    with that said...someone comes along and disrespects you and your good name and ask for testing that you dont mind taken but on your terms...
    Not only Pac, but Roach and Arum have a lot of influence over Pac and they dont like Floyd to begin with. So if they were to say **** Floyd...then its **** Floyd! Nobody needs him. We as fans want the fight. And Pac wants it too. But its his terms. Why argue it. He is the King in the sport. like it or not. Hes on the throne . Its like a peasant coming into the Kings castle demanding action.
    How about this..

    You are a champ
    You are the p4p UNDEFEATED champ
    You have done GREATER in your career
    and busted your ass too
    have MORE money than Pacquiao

    What the hell was the point of that??

    No one disrespected anyone. Pacquiao had a list of demands and Mayweather had ONE. He wants a clean fight. Boxers cheat and have cheated. This fight will be the fight our generation. The most grossing fight ever. Wouldn't you want to be assured that everything is legit in a fight of this magnitude, a fight that will go down in history..a fight that will make or break you? I would. I'm sorry but I would dude. I'd want to know that everything is top notch. If you don't understand that, I don't know what else to tell you.
    Last edited by Agent Mulder; 02-23-2010, 06:35 PM.

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    • AllEyesOpen
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      #32
      Originally posted by M.I Truth ?
      For better or worse. Will people who were for it start to back track if it seems more demanding than they thought? Will those against it say its not a big deal after all if it turns out to be hardly as intrusive as some have made it out to be? Will casuals viewing 24/7 start to question Pac for not agreeing to something so simple or will they see that his concerns were validated? Lets talk about.
      We will see how it plays into the 24/7 but it will be addressed and shown at some point. What I would like to see, because it's random blood testing, is how close the last random test will be to fight night, there's no guarantee that it will be less then 14 day before the fight.

      It's funny how Mayweather/Pacquiao fell apart because of a possible test 14 days or less before the fight. random means just that.

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      • M.I Truth ?
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        #33
        Originally posted by PAC-BOY
        There is no pressure on Pac. Put yourself in his shoes just for a second...
        you are the Champ
        you are the P4P champ
        you were accused of something
        disrespected
        you have done great in your career
        you busted your ass and worked hard
        you made and have lots of money already
        you also have a team of supporters and handlers with you that advise you

        with that said...someone comes along and disrespects you and your good name and ask for testing that you dont mind taken but on your terms...
        Not only Pac, but Roach and Arum have a lot of influence over Pac and they dont like Floyd to begin with. So if they were to say **** Floyd...then its **** Floyd! Nobody needs him. We as fans want the fight. And Pac wants it too. But its his terms. Why argue it. He is the King in the sport. like it or not. Hes on the throne . Its like a peasant coming into the Kings castle demanding action.
        The pressure I speak of is that of the common fan. If the process comes across kind of suspect no one will blame Manny for not wanting to do it. If it comes across as being very easy to deal with the court of opinion may challenge Manny's stance heavily. I think Manny cares how people view him to a degree and that may equal pressure depending on how this plays out.

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        • FLY TY
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          #34
          Originally posted by Bogig
          you just can't handle the truth. these are boxing insider's opinions bro.
          roy and toney are both cheaters....

          Originally posted by Hyacinth
          How about this..

          You are a champ
          You are the p4p UNDEFEATED champ
          You have done GREATER in your career
          and busted your ass too
          have MORE money than Pacquiao

          What the hell was the point of that??

          No one disrespected anyone. Pacquiao had a list of demands and Mayweather had ONE. He wants a clean fight. Boxers cheat and have cheated. This fight will be the fight our generation. The most grossing fight ever. Wouldn't you want to be assured that everything is legit in a fight of this magnitude, a fight that will go down in history..a fight that will make or break you? I would. I'm sorry but I would dude. I'd want to know that everything is top notch. If you don't understand that, I don't know what else to tell you.
          pretty much sums it up.

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          • Bogig
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            #35
            Originally posted by Hyacinth
            How about this..

            You are a champ
            You are the p4p UNDEFEATED champ
            You have done GREATER in your career
            and busted your ass too
            have MORE money than Pacquiao

            What the hell was the point of that??

            No one disrespected anyone. Pacquiao had a list of demands and Mayweather had ONE. He wants a clean fight. Boxers cheat and have cheated. This fight will be the fight our generation. The most grossing fight ever. Wouldn't you want to be assured that everything is legit in a fight of this magnitude, a fight that will go down in history..a fight that will make or break you? I would. I'm sorry but I would dude. I'd want to know that everything is top notch. If you don't understand that, I don't know what else to tell you.
            I just don't think this will be overplayed as it was during the negotiations with Pac. I'm saying this because Mosley is a GBP fighter and Oscar/Schaeffer have their hands on this thing now, unlike before when they were going after Pac.

            I'm saying, why wasn't there Olympic style testing during the Mosley-Berto clash before it was canceled and why isn't there one in the upcoming Hopkins-JonesJr. bout?

            This whole Olympic testing, albeit may be valid and should therefore be instituted in BOXING but only by the governing bodies, is more of a negotiating hype and tactic rather than anything GBP and Mayweather has us believing it should be.

            Much of the boxing world know the deal.. We shall see...

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              #36
              Originally posted by Bogig
              much of the boxing world knows this whole olympic drug testing is nothiing but a mayweather scam. to prove this point:

              Joe Goosen, Legendary Boxing Trainer:

              "I just think Pacquiao is a juggernaut right now... and I would just say that maybe that's the reason (Floyd's) throwing up all these smokescreens and roadblocks because he (Floyd) doesn't wanna get in the ring with him (Pac)... (Floyd) should just say yes to the fight, forget all the testing, this guy's (Pac) not on drugs. There's a little air there in all this that's just not right."


              Al Bernstein, Showtime Boxing Analyst:

              “It seems patently obvious to me that Floyd and his minions killed the Pacquiao fight. The bottom line is that the fight was basically a done deal before they decided to inject the demands for blood testing into the picture. Pure and simple, Golden Boy and Floyd and his advisers created the problem, and it ended up killing the fight.”


              Dan Rafael from ESPN:

              "Mayweather shouldn't be making accusations without a shred of proof as he tries to discredit all of Pacquiao's great accomplishments, nor should he try to circumvent the Nevada rules by asking for blood tests when the commission has never asked for them."


              Larry Holmes, Heavyweight Champion:

              "I wish I could see Mayweather and Pacquiao fight, but what they're (Floyd's camp) doing right now is hurting boxing because people want to see the fight... They're trying to bring up stuff that is taking away from the fight with drug tests and accusations... I don't get it."


              Thomas Hauser, HBO.com:

              "There were times during the past month when the conduct of Team Mayweather had the look of an effort to sabotage the fight. A negotiator who wants to make a deal doesn’t go out of his way to antagonize and publicly embarrass the other side. But that’s what the Mayweathers and Golden Boy did."


              Jim Strickland, David Diaz's Trainer/retired licensed pharmacist:

              “I don’t see any reason of accusing Manny of using illegal drugs in our fight.”


              Timothy Bradley, WBO/WBC Jr. Welterweight Champion:

              "I don't think Manny is on anything. He's just on top of his game right now."


              James Toney, Multi division Champion:

              "Who is Mayweather to ask for the tests? Why didn’t he ask Marquez? Manny’s not on 'roids."


              Mike Silver, noted Boxing Historian:

              "I think it fell apart because basically Mayweather never wanted to fight Pacquiao. He wants to continue and fight guys he can beat and fool the public.


              Roy Jones, Jr.:

              "Hell naw. Why change the rules on me? Because I'm coming up in weight means I'm doing steroids? They're giving you a test for that anyway. It would be something that would aggravate me because then after I beat you, I was on something, don't play with me. Either you want to fight or you don't want to fight."

              stop spamming threads......

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              • M.I Truth ?
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                #37
                Originally posted by Bogig
                I just don't think this will be overplayed as it was during the negotiations with Pac. I'm saying this because Mosley is a GBP fighter and Oscar/Schaeffer have their hands on this thing now, unlike before when they were going after Pac.

                I'm saying, why wasn't there Olympic style testing during the Mosley-Berto clash before it was canceled and why isn't there one in the upcoming Hopkins-JonesJr. bout?

                This whole Olympic testing, albeit may be valid and should therefore be instituted in BOXING but only by the governing bodies, is more of a negotiating hype and tactic rather than anything GBP and Mayweather has us believing it should be.

                Much of the boxing world know the deal.. We shall see...
                GBP and Floyd can make it a big talking point if all goes well. That would possibly heat the whole subject up again and make things tough for team Pac. Or if it doesn't go smoothly it may show Pac was being realistic about the process. The pressure would then be on Mayweather to drop the whole thing.

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                • PAC-BOY
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Hyacinth
                  How about this..

                  You are a champ what belt is he holding
                  You are the p4p UNDEFEATED champ P4P undefeated dont exist dummy
                  You have done GREATER in your career hahahahaha
                  and busted your ass too ducking the best fighters
                  have MORE money than Pacquiao LOL he has IRS problems and lost his money you idiot lol

                  What the hell was the point of that??

                  No one disrespected anyone. Pacquiao had a list of demands and Mayweather had ONE. He wants a clean fight. Boxers cheat and have cheated. This fight will be the fight our generation. The most grossing fight ever. Wouldn't you want to be assured that everything is legit in a fight of this magnitude, a fight that will go down in history..a fight that will make or break you? I would. I'm sorry but I would dude. I'd want to know that everything is top notch. If you don't understand that, I don't know what else to tell you.
                  Wow you are insanely a sad human!

                  Originally posted by M.I Truth ?
                  The pressure I speak of is that of the common fan. If the process comes across kind of suspect no one will blame Manny for not wanting to do it. If it comes across as being very easy to deal with the court of opinion may challenge Manny's stance heavily. I think Manny cares how people view him to a degree and that may equal pressure depending on how this plays out.
                  I agree with you on this..

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                  • M.I Truth ?
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