PACQUIAO passing all pre-fight exams and blood tests 19 days before clottey fight/

[Alibata]

Why are you against blood testing?

Oh wait, so it's not about being dishonest. If you SUSPECT someone might not be able to make weight, then you can impose those kind of sanctions right? Even if they've always made weight, right?

dude get the flogic out your head for 1 sec. If floyd can come in @ 147 and the fight is at 147 and floyd has no problems making 147, what is he worried about? We all know floyd can come in under 147 if he wants to so being suspect is out the window in this argument. Erik Morales made the weight right. They were fighting at 130 and that is what erik weighed. he fought cotto at 145 and thats what cotto weighed. Floyd is not fighting at a catchweight and at a weight that he can easily make. Floyd should not have a problem or even blink twice about signing the 10 mil above 147 stipulation, unless he is a prick and wanted to get the advantage. I am not against blood testing and want Manny to take the tests but I am not manny and he knows how it would affect him mentally more than I. He needs to be 110% against Mayweather and if he thinks the blood test will affect him and make him less than he needs to be, I just don't know. I give him every benefit of the doubt though as he deserves it.

[IMDAZED]

dude get the flogic out your head for 1 sec. If floyd can come in @ 147 and the fight is at 147 and floyd has no problems making 147, what is he worried about? We all know floyd can come in under 147 if he wants too so being suspect is out the window in this argument. Erik Morales made the weight right. They were fighting at 130 and that is what erik weighed. he fought cotto at 145 and thats what cotto weighed. Floyd is not fighting at a catchweight and at a weight that he can easily make. Floyd should not have a problem or even blink twice about signing the 10 mil above 147 stipulation, unless he is a prick and wanted to get the advantage.

Stop trying to avoid the question. Are you stating that even without prior evidence of someone actually failing to make weight, it is ok to insert rare stipulations such as a large fee in case they don't?

[Alibata]

Stop trying to avoid the question. Are you stating that even without prior evidence of someone actually failing to make weight, it is ok to insert rare stipulations such as a large fee in case they don't?

Why not. they agreed on a weight and both fighters should adhere by that weight. Manny ain't coming in heavier than 147 why should his opponent if he does it is money in the bank. It is either that or they don't fight.

[IMDAZED]

Why not. they agreed on a weight and both fighters should adhere by that weight. Manny ain't coming in heavier than 147 why should his opponent.

I rest my case. Don't worry, it'll come to you one day.

[Alibata]

I rest my case. Don't worry, it'll come to you one day.

What your flogic? I don't think it'll ever come to you. Floyd sweating 10 mil because he don't wanna play fair? is that what you are suggesting. Whatever dude. Fair is the weight agreed upon, if you can't make the weight don't agree to it.

[IMDAZED]

What your flogic? I don't think it'll ever come to you. Floyd sweating 10 mil because he don't wanna play fair? is that what you are suggesting. Whatever dude.

I was talking about Morales. Using...Moralogic?

[Spacey1991]

pac agreed to blood tests like 20 days before the fight and right after the fight with mayweather.

No, Manny initially wanted 30 and Floyd wanted 0... Floyd offered 14 to meet in the middle and Manny rejected it, he did offer 24 days before the fight but thats only because he had a blood test that early against Hatton.

I am a fan of Manny and I am not implying anything, but why is he taking a blood test 19 days before the Clottey fight when he refused to take a random blood test up to 14 days or after 24 days before the fight because he felt it would weaken him?

I am not saying this means that hes taking steroids and I am not saying he used it to duck Floyd either... but maybe they wanted to stall for a bit because they didn't feel 3 months is enough time to prepare for Floyd, maybe they wanted more time to work on things before fighting him. That isn't ducking him in my book, that's just taking more time to prepare strategy.

[Alibata]

I was talking about Morales. Using...Moralogic?

Morales shouldn't have signed the contract if it was a problem. They agreed to fight at 130. Should we just let every fighter who can't make the weight come above the contracted weight? What do you propose as a consequence for such an advantage their opponent who adhered to the contract will have to deal with in the ring? Don't sign the contract then.

[Spacey1991]

Stop trying to avoid the question. Are you stating that even without prior evidence of someone actually failing to make weight, it is ok to insert rare stipulations such as a large fee in case they don't?

Good point, Floyd has never failed to make 147... but they still said they want a $10,000,000 fine in the contract for every pound he is over 147, which Floyd accepted.

Saying all of these things about Floyd not having right to ask for random testing because he has no proof he is on steroids go both ways, cause you can easily say that Manny has no right to ask for a $10,000,000/per pound incase he is over weight because there is no proof of him not making 147.

Manny wanted to reassure that Floyd wasn't going to trick them with the weight and try to weigh over 147, which Floyd said fair enough and accepted. Floyd wanted to reassure that fair play was in order by asking for random blood testing up until 14 days before the fight (after negotiating) and Manny's team were having none of it.

I try to be as fair as I can here because I like both fighters, but that suddenly came to my mind.

[syphillis]

I'm going to try to state the obvious here by saying that the State Commission is the one mandating the testing, not by Clottey's or anybody's request. My understanding is that Pac will take any tests the Commissions asks... sort of like following an authority. Heck if the Commission was to say I'm going to do a blood test on fight night, there's nothing Pac can do about it except to say he'd rather not. He won't like it but he would have to do it.

No, Manny initially wanted 30 and Floyd wanted 0... Floyd offered 14 to meet in the middle and Manny rejected it, he did offer 24 days before the fight but thats only because he had a blood test that early against Hatton.

I am a fan of Manny and I am not implying anything, but why is he taking a blood test 19 days before the Clottey fight when he refused to take a random blood test up to 14 days or after 24 days before the fight because he felt it would weaken him?

I am not saying this means that hes taking steroids and I am not saying he used it to duck Floyd either... but maybe they wanted to stall for a bit because they didn't feel 3 months is enough time to prepare for Floyd, maybe they wanted more time to work on things before fighting him. That isn't ducking him in my book, that's just taking more time to prepare strategy.