Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao Sparring With Steve Forbes and Beltran

[baracuda]

OK, that's why Pac's claim to mainstream fame came from
beating two guys Floyd already beat. Pac wasn't doing
#'s or had the name he has now before he beat Oscar
and Ricky. Floyd been there and done that. Oscar at
154 (For a title) and an UNDEFEATED Hatton. I'm just
stating facts.

pac destroyed hoya one sidedly (floyd did it by SD)and hatton in 2 rounds......pac outperformed floyd 2 out of 3 common opponenets ..those are also facts! floyd could'nt even put away the worst version of jmm.....what do you think experts are basing for determining ones position in the sport if not facts?......lol

[GRUSTLER]

man, even experts say floyd has avoided the best, people see this wheter we like it or not....props to floyd for finally manning up but shane is 38, that is also a fact......it should still be a legit fight.....floyd has to do more of this if he wants to be as great as packy.....

And Pacquiao is avoiding Floyd and Mosley. Pac is considering
retirement after Clottey.

[V.WEBB]

man, even experts say floyd has avoided the best, people see this wheter we like it or not....props to floyd for finally manning up but shane is 38, that is also a fact......it should still be a legit fight.....floyd has to do more of this if he wants to be as great as packy.....

You right, it is a fact that Shane is 38. But when alot of people screamed for that fight to happen after Shane got in the ring after the JMM, YALL NEVER BROUGHT UP HIS AGE!

[V.WEBB]

pac destroyed hoya one sidedly (floyd did it by SD)and hatton in 2 rounds......pac outperformed floyd 2 out of 3 common opponenets ..those are also facts! floyd could'nt even put away the worst version of jmm.....what do you think experts are basing for determining ones position in the sport if not facts?......lol

A win is a win. Two different styles and two different fighters. Floyd beat Oscar at 154 and was outweighed at the weigh in and the fight. Floyd beat an undefeated Ricky Hatton. Don't overlook those FACTS just to knock one man's victories over 2 common opponents, then praise another man for beating the same two fighters. Be consistent.

[baracuda]

And Pacquiao is avoiding Floyd and Mosley. Pac is considering
retirement after Clottey.

ive never heard or seen boxing experts criticizing pac for ducking but ive seen and heard nuch about floyd......lol.....pac has been considering retirement since the hoya fight...., he's done so much already...dont even forget that floyd retired without giving tha fans fights the wanted to see the most.....floyd also recently said he wont fight packy if its 50/50 if his fight vs shane does betterthan pac vs clottey......we all know which one will do better....floyd never wants to fight packy!

[GRUSTLER]

pac destroyed hoya one sidedly (floyd did it by SD)and hatton in 2 rounds......pac outperformed floyd 2 out of 3 common opponenets ..those are also facts! floyd could'nt even put away the worst version of jmm.....what do you think experts are basing for determining ones position in the sport if not facts?......lol

Come on man. Stop with the nonsense. Floyd moved up to
154 for a title shot against Oscar, who was training with
Pacquiao's beloved trainer Freddie Roach and he even sparred
with Mosley. Picked the gloves, ring and Oscar still lost. That
Oscar that came in the ring to fight Manny was no where
near the Oscar that fought Floyd. Hatton and Floyd SR
had mega beef during training and clearly Hatton wasn't the
man he was before Floyd. That loss to Floyd haunted him.
Not making excuses but them fighters were picked for Pac
because they were sure wins. I thought Oscar/Hatton would
be big enough to manhandle Manny but clearly that wasn't
the case. Bottomline is Floyd was dominating the sport before
Pac could even fight with his right hand. To say Manny has
accomplished more in the sport than Floyd is false to me
considering that Floyd retired and the title went to Manny.
Pac didn't beat Floyd. Pac has/is avoiding Floyd and Mosley
and those are FACTS.

[baracuda]

A win is a win. Two different styles and two different fighters. Floyd beat Oscar at 154 and was outweighed at the weigh in and the fight. Floyd beat an undefeated Ricky Hatton. Don't overlook those FACTS just to knock one man's victories over 2 common opponents, then praise another man for beating the same two fighters. Be consistent.

lol @ a win is a win .... genaro was also undefeated til he fought hoya...then floyd fought him....so some of floyd best wins were vs leftovers then base on your logic,lol... besides corrales and hatton who else did he beat undefeated?....

[baracuda]

You right, it is a fact that Shane is 38. But when alot of people screamed for that fight to happen after Shane got in the ring after the JMM, YALL NEVER BROUGHT UP HIS AGE!

we did'nt have to....its just a respose for people who who try to knock pac's win over cotto sayin he's scared of mosely......

[V.WEBB]

lol @ a win is a win .... genaro was also undefeated til he fought hoya...then floyd fought him....so some of floyd best wins were vs leftovers then base on your logic,lol... besides corrales and hatton who else did he beat undefeated?....

Why are you laughing at a win is a win? That is the only objective, to win for every pro athlete, don't get it twisted.

You missed my point. I'm not using the "leftover" argument. Not at all. I never even said that. I'm speaking on the conditions heading into a fight, i e what is at stake for a particular fight. Those things can not be overlooked. But they tend to get overlooked because people have agendas.

So Floyd beat an undefeated Hatton, in TKO fashion. Then Pac beats him a year later in KO fashion. When you look at this clearly, it is a great win for BOTH fighters. Floyd took his 0 and Hatton moved up to challenge for Floyd's title. Pac moved up and KO'd Hatton and took his title. BOTH wins are different and has their own story, but at the end of the day BOTH Floyd and Pac have stunning victories over the same guy in title fights. You can't honestly knock one of them and praise the other.

[baracuda]

Come on man. Stop with the nonsense. Floyd moved up to
154 for a title shot against Oscar, who was training with
Pacquiao's beloved trainer Freddie Roach and he even sparred
with Mosley. Picked the gloves, ring and Oscar still lost. That
Oscar that came in the ring to fight Manny was no where
near the Oscar that fought Floyd. Hatton and Floyd SR
had mega beef during training and clearly Hatton wasn't the
man he was before Floyd. That loss to Floyd haunted him.
Not making excuses but them fighters were picked for Pac
because they were sure wins. I thought Oscar/Hatton would
be big enough to manhandle Manny but clearly that wasn't
the case. Bottomline is Floyd was dominating the sport before
Pac could even fight with his right hand. To say Manny has
accomplished more in the sport than Floyd is false to me
considering that Floyd retired and the title went to Manny.
Pac didn't beat Floyd. Pac has/is avoiding Floyd and Mosley
and those are FACTS.

the oscar that got beat by floyd and manny was old hoya, that is a fact!...floyd won by SD(some people thought oscar won).....hoya did'nt even win a sigle round vs pac and he jumped 2 weightclasses above his natural weightclass......floyd only became #1 in 2005.....pac did'nt get noticed til 2003 and he accomplished hell of a lot more sincethen than floyd.....why do you think he's the fighter of the decade?.....those are facts to you but hres the factsac has never been crittized for ducking and floyd' the most critized by expets for that reason....