Winky, Chico and the Pound for Pound list

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

1) Exaggeration is in love with you guys. Morales didn't kick Pac's ass anymore than Toney kicked Ruiz's ass. However, Morales' win is more impressive.

2) Toney beat Jirov a long time ago. That was a very good and big win. Since then he beat 3 guys who were all out of shape, old, are not that good to begin with, and sometimes a combonation of these factors.

3) R. Marquez DLT makes a good point with. His comp demands top 10 p4p recognition.

4) The top 5 gets pretty sketchy from 2-5. Winky, Floyd, Tszyu...none are far ahead of the others.

5) Pac, EM, and MAB should not be as low as 10 (if indeed we are lumping them all into one fighter). They all are considered very skillful, fight good fighters, and win the fights they're supposed to win. They all seem to be as skilled as Spinks, who Judah split a pair of fights with and yet ranks higher than all 3 on your list. If you caught flak for having them at 10, I say you just got what you deserved (but no one deserves anything too malicious).

6) Chico and Castillo deserve to be ahead of guys like Morales Judah, MAB, and Pac but below guys like Winky, Floyd, Tszyu, and Hopkins.

[STEELHEAD]

I made a thread in March about how Im sick of everyone having MAB, Morales, and Pac Man being recycled at the top of the #4# debate no matter how many times they lose or how they lose just because there fighting eachother.

I had it like this and everyone went crazy. How are you going to have Winky over them. I said give someone else a chance and dude has been fighting good fighters and hasnt lost in a long time.

1)Hopkins
2)Mayweather
3)Tszyu
4)Winky

I also had Chico and Castillo 5 and 6 and everyone went crazy that I had them over them 3. Give these guys respect. Then I had it

7)R. Marquez
8)Zab
9)Toney
10)I had EM,MAB, and Pac all tied.

I still have it the same. Here is my new list

1)Hopkins
2)Mayweather
3)Tszyu
4)Winky
5)Chico
6)Castillo
7)R.Marquez
8)Zab
9)Toney
10)the big 3

I didnt drop Toney because I still dont know the whole story and he still won. I dont like having the big 3 higher because Pac just lost his last fight and had a draw in his previous one, MAB was just dominated and TKO by Pac a couple of fights back and lost to EM, and EM who alot have high lost twice to MAB and had some other close fights like a barely win over a one armed Chaves which he might have lost if that wasnt the case. Give other guys a chance. There are alot of great fighters out there and they deserve to have there spot on the list. They have all fought great fighters and have big wins

what the fk is mayweather doing way up there. the floydboy/corrales fight was bogus. corrales was mentally beat before the fight started. since i feel a younger hungryer bigger speedster taylor is going to beat hopkins i'm going to include my forsite in my #f# list.

1. taylor
2. winky
3. hopkins
4. tszyu
5. corrales
6. prettyboybutthead
7. castillo
8. marquez
9. barrera
10.judah

[Mech.]

I made a thread in March about how Im sick of everyone having MAB, Morales, and Pac Man being recycled at the top of the #4# debate no matter how many times they lose or how they lose just because there fighting eachother.

I had it like this and everyone went crazy. How are you going to have Winky over them. I said give someone else a chance and dude has been fighting good fighters and hasnt lost in a long time.

1)Hopkins
2)Mayweather
3)Tszyu
4)Winky

I also had Chico and Castillo 5 and 6 and everyone went crazy that I had them over them 3. Give these guys respect. Then I had it

7)R. Marquez
8)Zab
9)Toney
10)I had EM,MAB, and Pac all tied.

I still have it the same. Here is my new list

1)Hopkins
2)Mayweather
3)Tszyu
4)Winky
5)Chico
6)Castillo
7)R.Marquez
8)Zab
9)Toney
10)the big 3

I didnt drop Toney because I still dont know the whole story and he still won. I dont like having the big 3 higher because Pac just lost his last fight and had a draw in his previous one, MAB was just dominated and TKO by Pac a couple of fights back and lost to EM, and EM who alot have high lost twice to MAB and had some other close fights like a barely win over a one armed Chaves which he might have lost if that wasnt the case. Give other guys a chance. There are alot of great fighters out there and they deserve to have there spot on the list. They have all fought great fighters and have big wins

As much as i enjoyed Castillo-Corrales,no way castillo deserves to be atop EM or MAB,and winkly proved his point,I'll give him his due,but goddamn is he a boring fighter,him and hop:great,but boring as ****.I dont know if winky should be that high tho,if you used that lgoic that youd keep EM em down cause he loast a previous fight to a guy(MAB) that got tkod,i can say winky fought a guy who got KO'ed,had a long lay off and has only had one tune up fight since then,see why that isnt exactly fair?My opinion anyways,let me re-arrange your list,my list would look like this:

1)Hopkins(Ditto)
2)Mayweather(Ditto)
3)Tszyu(Ditto)
4)Chico(More rounded than winky i think)
5)Winky(Its only his first Big win)
6)Morales(I think his Perofmance against Pac Warrants it)
7)MAB,Pac(Unfinished Biz?)
8)R.Marquez(Just Earned it)
9)Zab(sorry Zab,you aint Impressed me yet.)
10)Castillo(Good,kind of.But has earned it)



I dont get why you put toney on here either?He beat John Ruiz, man,thanks toney,but thats the only noteworthy thing apart from a steroids scandal that youve done In my book.

What do you think?

[Cletus Funk]

As much as i enjoyed Castillo-Corrales,no way castillo deserves to be atop EM or MAB,and winkly proved his point,I'll give him his due,but goddamn is he a boring fighter,him and hop:great,but boring as ****.I dont know if winky should be that high tho,if you used that lgoic that youd keep EM em down cause he loast a previous fight to a guy(MAB) that got tkod,i can say winky fought a guy who got KO'ed,had a long lay off and has only had one tune up fight since then,see why that isnt exactly fair?My opinion anyways,let me re-arrange your list,my list would look like this:

1)Hopkins(Ditto)
2)Mayweather(Ditto)
3)Tszyu(Ditto)
4)Chico(More rounded than winky i think)
5)Winky(Its only his first Big win)
6)Morales(I think his Perofmance against Pac Warrants it)
7)MAB,Pac(Unfinished Biz?)
8)R.Marquez(Just Earned it)
9)Zab(sorry Zab,you aint Impressed me yet.)
10)Castillo(Good,kind of.But has earned it)



I dont get why you put toney on here either?He beat John Ruiz, man,thanks toney,but thats the only noteworthy thing apart from a steroids scandal that youve done In my book.

What do you think?

Your list seems fair but I wouldn't have Judah on there yet because I never thought Spinks was that great anyway.

I agree on Toney. He's not even the best in his current division (or any of the others he's been in IMO) so you can't have him on there without having VK and arguably a couple other HWs above him. It is p4p and that ****er weighs 300.

[DLT]

As much as i enjoyed Castillo-Corrales,no way castillo deserves to be atop EM or MAB,and winkly proved his point,I'll give him his due,but goddamn is he a boring fighter,him and hop:great,but boring as ****.I dont know if winky should be that high tho,if you used that lgoic that youd keep EM em down cause he loast a previous fight to a guy(MAB) that got tkod,i can say winky fought a guy who got KO'ed,had a long lay off and has only had one tune up fight since then,see why that isnt exactly fair?My opinion anyways,let me re-arrange your list,my list would look like this:

1)Hopkins(Ditto)
2)Mayweather(Ditto)
3)Tszyu(Ditto)
4)Chico(More rounded than winky i think)
5)Winky(Its only his first Big win)
6)Morales(I think his Perofmance against Pac Warrants it)
7)MAB,Pac(Unfinished Biz?)
8)R.Marquez(Just Earned it)
9)Zab(sorry Zab,you aint Impressed me yet.)
10)Castillo(Good,kind of.But has earned it)



I dont get why you put toney on here either?He beat John Ruiz, man,thanks toney,but thats the only noteworthy thing apart from a steroids scandal that youve done In my book.

What do you think?

not a bad list, I can dig that. I still think Toney is impressive. you say that Holy anr Ruiz arent that impressive but I look at it like this is a #4# list and he started at middelweight so thats what makes it impressive. Ruiz has beat alot of good fighters

[DLT]

what the fk is mayweather doing way up there. the floydboy/corrales fight was bogus. corrales was mentally beat before the fight started. since i feel a younger hungryer bigger speedster taylor is going to beat hopkins i'm going to include my forsite in my #f# list.

1. taylor
2. winky
3. hopkins
4. tszyu
5. corrales
6. prettyboybutthead
7. castillo
8. marquez
9. barrera
10.judah

I dont like putting guys up there before something happeneds but I do pick Taylor to beat X. However he still wouldnt be #1 because I dont think this is a prime X

[DLT]

haha. He beat the crap out of Morales.....who beat Pac's ass. He also won his last fight by brutal knockout against a decent contender. If you dont have M.A.B. on a P4P list......you are smokin. Plain and Simple.

Give me a break. Rafael Marquez? LOL. come on....who has he beat?



yup. well said. I dont care what anyone says....or how ratings work. He is a top 5 fighter in the sport, and there is no room for him to be replaced.

He beat Morales but your saying that just completely erases what happened to him a couple of fights ago and all the other washed up scrubs he has been fighting? Also who has Marquez fought? Are you for real? He beat Too Sharp twice, once by KO and KO Tim Austin.

[IwatchBoxing]

1. James Toney - beat a Heaveyweight champ, ultimate achivement
2. Bernard Hopkins - beat Trinidad, undisputed
3. Mayweather
4. Winky Wright - beat Trinidad, undisputed
5. Morales
6. Tszyu
7. Barrera
8. Zab Judah
9. Diego Corrales
10. Trinidad - 1 more loss would knock him off, still dangerous

[AintGottaClue]

1. Hopkins
2. Barrera
3. Morales
4. Winky
5. Corrales
6. Mayweather
7. Manny pacq
8. Kostya Tszyu
9. Jose Louis Castillo
10.Oscar Larios
11.R Marquez

[Tha_Greatest]

1.Hopkins
2.Morales
3.Tsyzu
4.Barrera
5.Wright
6.Corrales
7.J.M.Marquez
8.Castillo
9.Mayweather
10.Pacquiao
11.Trinidad
12.R.Marquez
13.Larios
14.Klitschko
15.Tarver