Pacquiao is Henry Armstrong in this era, who is PBF?

['Sugar' Freddi]

What I've done today with this thread.

[Schmerzen]

Sorry, not going to respect anyone who uses a mass murderer's name as their handle. You obviously are fuct up in the head.

oh, what lowblow
i was never going to argue with u, i have just listed some facts.

[Calilloyd]

Considering Pacquiao has won championships in 4 of the original weight classes (Armstrong won in only 3) I'd say he's at least near his level...as near as any modern boxer can get.

Pacquiao is not near Armstrongs level. But I guess you would have to know some boxing history to realize that. Armstrong was beating the best and undisputed champions without catchweights. We can start there.

[El Castigador]

Pacquiao is not near Armstrongs level. But I guess you would have to know some boxing history to realize that. Armstrong was beating the best and undisputed champions without catchweights. We can start there.

Exactly.....Oh When you are done dont forget to mention the 19 WW title defenses.

[boxingfan4lif]

GROW UP 10yrs mind set in a 40yrs BODY.....pls GROW UP!

what a sorry ass post, comments like this are the reason why every boxingfan is committed to hate *******s.
back then there were 8 weight classes and just 2 titles per divison, today there are 17 weight classes + 6 titles per divison
armstrong also got robbed once, in reality he won a title in 4 of the 8traditional divisons back then
delusional fanboys of pacroid comparing him with sugar ray robinson, who never got knocked out in 198 fights and to armstrong


i have to send this over and over again to bring *******s back to earth :

This message is like remembering a dude use to bully me in middle school ...but I BEAT HIM UP in High School. LMAO

-this is a 17 yrs old Manny Pacquiao FOR GOODNESS SAKE, FIght the Manny Pacquiao who won the "Fighter of the YEAR" "#2 Greatest of All TIME" "7 times champ in different DIVISIONS"....thats WHATS UP!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uksSKeYGlUY - FIST OF FURY this is WHATS UP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fosaNEq6qqE - Dela Hoya thinks he can BULLY the "little BIG Jedi Yoda Manny Pacquiao"... dope skillz!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQYgDf***R0 - LEFT HOOK that CAN KILL ANYONE if LANDED CLEAN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVHtBoLasuU - Manny vs COtto, Manny Pacquiao is READY TO DOMINATE WW DIVISION and BRING the SAME INTENSITY of EXCITEMENT he BROUGHT to EVERY WEIGHT ClASS he conquered----Welterweight Division FIghters NEED to MAN UP and STOP ACTING as COMMISSIONERS if they want to FIGHT THE BEST...NONE OF THOSE NONSENSE and BASELESS CRAP from a "DRUG ADDICTS and DRUG TRAFFICKERS"

[Calilloyd]

Appreciate the compliment but I'm nowhere near as witty as Mak.

I never said he was at Armstrong's level, rather I agreed with Merchant's opinion that the way Pac has scaled weight classes is similar to Armstrong...then again considering who you are I guess that translates in your head to "duurrrr pacquiao is teh godz"

No it isn't. Armstrong never used or proposed catchweights. Armstrong never asked a champion to scale down 5 pounds under the limit in the way Paquiao's team asked Shane Mosley. Stop making this ridiculous comparison. And I don't care what Merchant said.

[Calilloyd]

Exactly.....Oh When you are done dont forget to mention the 19 WW title defenses.

Yes indeed.

[Schmerzen]

This message is like remembering a dude use to bully me in middle school ...but I BEAT HIM UP in High School. LMAO

haha, sure.
pacquiao was 21 years old when that happened, with the age of 22 ali was fighting guys like liston.

[macthechamp]

Martinez is a better fighter then Kessler. Kessler is stiff, he doesnt move his head, he has bad foot work, hes soft, his power is overrated, hes easy to hit, he doesnt have a good inside game. I mean hes not that good. He cant adjust in the ring. He doesnt cut off the ring. I honestly dont know what you see in him. Power? He beat up on Andrade with flush bombs and didnt put one dent in him.

Now before you say "he has a great chin". His body turned out to be not so good vs. Bute. Kessler wouldve figured that out of he had smarts, great skills and a gameplan.

Standing str8 up like a stiff robot getting punched in the face does nothing for me. Especially when compared to a fast slick counter puncher like Martinez.

Does the "stiffness" really affect him that much, though?

The no head movement, bad footwork, easy to hit and softness theories don't really work, since he's never been knocked down or knocked out in his career. All of those things are involved in knockdowns and knockouts.

His power must be so overrated that he's managed to win most of his championship fights by knockout. Gee..

As for the other things, you're basically trying to make him seem like the perfect fighter that you would imagine in your head. Sorry, but not all fighters are a template of your imagination. That's like saying Henry Armstrong wasn't a good fighter because he didn't have good defense.

It doesn't work like that.

I'm still waiting for you to list all the technical things Martinez does better than Kessler.

[S.G.]

I'm still waiting for you to list all the technical things Martinez does better than Kessler.

Martinez is better at creating angles, moving in and out of range, slipping punches and counter punching. He's also tougher, quicker and has better footwork.