Barrera vs Pacquiao..Rematch....Who Wins It?

[JaNnO]

Plain truth like this is hard to take, if you are a Pac fan these days.

Pac ..... 1-1-1 against top Feathers. Not exactly the stuff of legends.

i won't dwell too much on numbers. pac's loss to erik was a close one while jmm got lucky because of the dumb judge who scored it 10-7 for manny instead of 10-6 after jmm's 3kds in the first round. however the same 1-1-1 stat also shows 2 of them shying away from pac both know they're gonna lose, so it could have been an easy 3-1-1 for pac (minus pac-em2).

cheers!

[SuckaPunch]

I firmly believe that Barrera had an off night...after Pac knocked him down in the 3rd round.

Be honest, watch the first round of that fight and tell me if Barrera was off that night. MAB possessed speed, threw some wicked combinations and unloaded great body shots against Pac in the 1st. Watch and listen to the fight carefully and see that Emmanuel Steward also noticed that the Barrera wasn't that slow until after the 3rd.

So to answer some of your questions, Yes, Barrera had an off night...after he was knocked down in the 3rd round.

[snipes12]

il translate the whole summary of this thread
all pinoy ses - pac wud destroy mab or win a decisive win in their 2nd meeting
non pinoy/mab fans ses - mab has a chance in beating pac and mab is not in shaped during their 1st fight
since im pinoy , i pick pac

[Moon]

i won't dwell too much on numbers. pac's loss to erik was a close one while jmm got lucky because of the dumb judge who scored it 10-7 for manny instead of 10-6 after jmm's 3kds in the first round. however the same 1-1-1 stat also shows 2 of them shying away from pac both know they're gonna lose, so it could have been an easy 3-1-1 for pac (minus pac-em2).

cheers!

Janno .... I respect you, based on some of your posts I've read. But let's be real, the "stats" don't consider whethe a fighter "shys away" from the rematch. It's win, lose or draw, and nothin' else.

As far as "easy" being used to descibed anything Pac does, I couldn't agree less. Sure he bombed MAB, but he sure didn't make it "easy" for himself against Marquez (by not be able to finish very badly hurt guy) or against Morales.

[Moon]

I firmly believe that Barrera had an off night...

I firmly agree. All this talk of "styles making fights" is correct, but MAB was not made to look that bad by Pac alone. There were other things at work. The rematch will be much more competitive, with the verdict much more uncertain.

[Manny_P]

Janno .... I respect you, based on some of your posts I've read. But let's be real, the "stats" don't consider whethe a fighter "shys away" from the rematch. It's win, lose or draw, and nothin' else.

As far as "easy" being used to descibed anything Pac does, I couldn't agree less. Sure he bombed MAB, but he sure didn't make it "easy" for himself against Marquez (by not be able to finish very badly hurt guy) or against Morales.

Read ma works on "Pac, Barrera, Morales: Who is Best?"...."Who won The Fight?: Marquez or Pacquiao" threads. There, in full accurate details, I described ta luckyness of Marquez gainst Pacman! And by ta time you're done reading it, you'll be sayin "woooooow, I dint even know that. THANK YOU!" LOL!

[SLIMZ]

il translate the whole summary of this thread
all pinoy ses - pac wud destroy mab or win a decisive win in their 2nd meeting
non pinoy/mab fans ses - mab has a chance in beating pac and mab is not in shaped during their 1st fight
since im pinoy , i pick pac

i'm not filipino but i say pac will still win.

[Pak men]

I firmly believe that Barrera had an off night...after Pac knocked him down in the 3rd round.

Be honest, watch the first round of that fight and tell me if Barrera was off that night. MAB possessed speed, threw some wicked combinations and unloaded great body shots against Pac in the 1st. Watch and listen to the fight carefully and see that Emmanuel Steward also noticed that the Barrera wasn't that slow until after the 3rd.

So to answer some of your questions, Yes, Barrera had an off night...after he was knocked down in the 3rd round.

If you're not a dummy dumbass, he started slowing down when it became evident that PAC isn't gonna stop from his barrage.

If you're not a dummy dumbass, you'll observe that what really slowed him was the left straight (PAC's deadliest weapon). If you're observing well, even in the 2nd round he already had a busted eye and a cut in the eyelids.

MAB gassed out early cause PAC gave it to him every second. He couldn't rest coz PAC is not like Peden who mess around. PAC was all business and never let MAB a second's rest. PAC recieved a LOT of punishment from MAB and yet it didn't even slowed PAC down. Proof enough that MAB can NEVER knock PAC down.

ANd if you're not a dummy, you'll know that after the fight, when they were face to face with each other, MAB said he lost no excuses. Now that they're not face to face he has the balls to say it was an off-night. It only makes sense, MAB is too coward to say it to PAC's face.

Problem with you buddy, is that you're a dummy. lol!

[Moon]

Read ma works on "Pac, Barrera, Morales: Who is Best?"...."Who won The Fight?: Marquez or Pacquiao" threads. There, in full accurate details, I described ta luckyness of Marquez gainst Pacman! And by ta time you're done reading it, you'll be sayin "woooooow, I dint even know that. THANK YOU!" LOL!

Manny_P .... you know I've read these posts. You use the term "lucky" incorrectly (or ignorantly?) when discussing Pac-Marquez. If we talk solely about the performances of these two men, and ignore the judges scoring, you have to attribute Marquez's apparent "luck" to his skills and ablity to adjust, coupled with Pac's complete dependency on throwing the same stuff.

It's not "luck" that keeps you upright and competitive for 11 rounds, especially after receiving a 3KD pounding in the first round. It's not "luck" that allowed Marquez to get back into that fight. If anything, it was Pac's inability to take out a very hurt man.

Morales used Marquez's approach to rounds 2 thru 12 as a model to beat Pac. So, was Morales then "lucky" against Pac too, since he executed a plan borrowed from Marquez? I don't think so.

There is definitely luck involved in the boxing game. But, Marquez didn't need luck to survive rounds 2 thru 11 because he had the combination of chin, skill and heart required to stay in that fight. On that night, only Pac can be blamed for not finishing off a hurt man. Why could he not do it? Because Marquez wouldn't let him, end of story.

Now lets look at the judges. First, Pac should not even have had this fight going to the cards. But, for Pac fans it a great thing that one judge didn't give a 10-7 round, because it allows a controversy to distract from the fact that Pac couldn't beat a guy who was in BIG trouble. But, if we must look at the cards, then consider this ..... Pac didn't clearly beat Marquez in the eyes of a majority of the judges, end of story. Marquez was very competitive in rounds 2 to 12, so Pac again allowed the judges to see some rounds much closer than they should have been. So, despite the 3KD first round, Pac again couldn't clearly dominate Marquez, according to the judges.

Let's give Pac the Majority Decision he would have won, if the judge had scored correctly. So Pac would have have a MD, after a 3 KD first round, right? That doesn't say to much about Pac's "dominance" of Marquez after that first round.

When discussing Pac-Marquez, look at what happened in the ring and ignore the judegs though. The judges cannot be trusted, so every fighter has to give it all in the ring. I think Manny is very aware of this and gave Marquez everything he's got, but couldn't beat him, simple.

[The_de$troyer]

Pacman would win with a KO within 8 rounds. Pac's faster than MAb, he has better conditioning, a harder puncher and has proved that he is worthy to big fights.