Ruiz hall of shame

[The Pretender]

BWAHAH! You know that's a lie. Foreman? Frazier? Norton? Cooney? Holmes? Morrison? Tyson? All are not as good as Ruiz, the wrestler?

They are all on my waiting list for the Ruiz Fan Club.

Check out boxrec stats. Ruiz #2 ranked fighter in the world. Should be #1 but close enough.

[neils7147933]

That's a pretty abrupt and simplistic way to call something. The fact that it ended in TKO doesn't not signify that he cannot cut it vs top guys. He was winning both fights when they were stopped, and that is important whether you think so or not. It's pretty hard for you to judge as you do not know how badly he was hurt in the Byrd fight. Additionally, he showed his willingness to continue vs Lewis after taking some heavy punches with the best havyweight at the time. Vitali took that fight on very short notice also.



Why would a quick, small heavyweight bother Vitali? What quick and small heavyweight out there can beat Vitali? Toney would barely be able to reach Vitali's face if you are thinking of him, and Toney is not and never has been a pressure fighter. The only heavyweight who gave Vitali serious trouble was Lewis. Lewis is big and matched power and size with Klitschko.



So what? Sanders hits hard and fast. Ask Rahman and Wlad. So what about the "tense" moment vs Wlliams (if there even was one)? Almost all fights have tense moments. Vitali thrashed Williams that whole fight and you cannot fault him for that. At least he's taking care of the people he is SUPPOSED to.



Rahman is not that good...end of story. He is hardly ever in any better shape than Lewis was vs Vitali, and Lewis couldn't KO Vitali. Perhaps you expect another freakish cut? Rahman is a top 10 heavyweight but he hasn't done much to suggest he will be able to overcome Vitali. Tyson's punches are slower these days, will be coming from a long ways away from Vitali's head (giving Vitali plenty of time to react) and Tyson punches in wide loops and arcs as well as lacking combos. Some people give Rahman a good shot to beat Vitali...well I'd take that bet any day...easy money.

an objective fan can see both a fighter's strenghts and weaknesses. That wasn't a hatred thread; only a brief explanation of why many of us aren't sold on this guy as THE MAN yet. That's not saying it won't happen, just that Vitali may be fortunate to have gotten Lewis after he should have retired, have inherited a weak division, and picked from the middle of the Top 15 (and in the Williams case, the middle of the Top 50) for opponents...

[splittingatoms]

look i know it aint vit's fault that he is in an era of a very weak heavyweights.but alot of people are looking at this guy like he is on the level of an ali,fraiser,marcino,holyfield,lewis or joe louis.this guy is just an average fighter.he really dont have any skills at all.he fights flat footed has no defence,robotic movment and his power really isnt that great.his younger brother is the better of the 2 but i dont think he will ever be back into form that he was before the sanders fight.if somebody would take away his size advantage in the ring he would be done for.just because he kinda held his own against an unmotivated,end of his career and out of shape lewis means nothing.the HW division is junk right now and i feel it is gonna be like that for awhile.as for ruiz he has less going for him than vit.all ruiz wants to do is dance with guys in the ring.**** im always expecting ruiz to grab the ref and take him for a waltz.

[Famoso Matador]

Ruiz the top fighter since Ali and future hall of famer. He the champ.

I find this thread so incredibly amuzing.

[paul750]

That's a pretty abrupt and simplistic way to call something. The fact that it ended in TKO doesn't not signify that he cannot cut it vs top guys. He was winning both fights when they were stopped, and that is important whether you think so or not. It's pretty hard for you to judge as you do not know how badly he was hurt in the Byrd fight. Additionally, he showed his willingness to continue vs Lewis after taking some heavy punches with the best havyweight at the time. Vitali took that fight on very short notice also.



Why would a quick, small heavyweight bother Vitali? What quick and small heavyweight out there can beat Vitali? Toney would barely be able to reach Vitali's face if you are thinking of him, and Toney is not and never has been a pressure fighter. The only heavyweight who gave Vitali serious trouble was Lewis. Lewis is big and matched power and size with Klitschko.



So what? Sanders hits hard and fast. Ask Rahman and Wlad. So what about the "tense" moment vs Wlliams (if there even was one)? Almost all fights have tense moments. Vitali thrashed Williams that whole fight and you cannot fault him for that. At least he's taking care of the people he is SUPPOSED to.



Rahman is not that good...end of story. He is hardly ever in any better shape than Lewis was vs Vitali, and Lewis couldn't KO Vitali. Perhaps you expect another freakish cut? Rahman is a top 10 heavyweight but he hasn't done much to suggest he will be able to overcome Vitali. Tyson's punches are slower these days, will be coming from a long ways away from Vitali's head (giving Vitali plenty of time to react) and Tyson punches in wide loops and arcs as well as lacking combos. Some people give Rahman a good shot to beat Vitali...well I'd take that bet any day...easy money.

what makes some of you guys think that lewis couldn't have cut klitchko to pieces if they fought for a second time anyway?. it seems pretty basic logic that if he did it once he could certainly do it again, regardless if he was losing on points. and remember there was plenty of rounds to go in that fight as well, so if klitchko was in that state after 6 rounds what would he be like after 9 or 10? getting cut is a big weakness, which leads to you LOSING, it dosn't matter if your winning the fight. of course i don't deny that lewis was also in a bad state, but not in terms of cuts