Honestly, who do you believe??! Shane or May??

[Ray*]

wow, ts, if that is what you base it off, you really made a pointless thread----shane ducked floyd back in 1999 because he said he couldn't make the weight anymore---but he moved up 2 weight classes to chase oscar--and it was smart--he would have gotten trounced by floyd back then also---in all of this he gets caught wiith steroids---so what does this tell me? maybe he was using steroids even back in 99--which is why he could no longer make the weight---this could be wrong--but i feel he knew floyd was more dangerous than oscar in terms of skill--which he was--even though shane moved up---and he beat oscar--so it's shane's fault---and it was his fault back in 2005 and again in 2006---floyd has never ducked shane--floyd wanted shane when he was in his absolute prime--this is why people who claim they know about the ins and outs of boxing and put blame on floyd make me laugh and prove to me they don't know ****----shane wanted floyd in 2007 after oscar---and by this time shane aged and really had no momentum---he beat vargas in 2006 in spectacular fashion and floyd has no dance partner for his novemember date--and margarito had nothing more than a title--that's it--but he wasn't the ww champ of the world---baldomir was the undisputed champ of the world and bob was trying to prostitue floyd around--so floyd wasn't having it---he brought out of his contract and ended up making more with baldomir and becoming the number1 ww in the world---while shane started begging to fight floyd---coz he know floyd was the top guy-----shane had to wait to get his shot---now he's up there in age--he beat margarito---lost to cotto which could have landed him a shot against floyd earlier---but he screwed that up---just like cotto screwed up when he lost to tony---who ended up using that victory like he was the best of the best--but he lost to paul williams---and floyd at this time was fighting big fights and breaking ppv recoreds with oscar and ricky---these guys had to fall in line---now shane is fighting floyd now, and when he loses to him, he only has himself to blame---

Pretty much how it went to be honest.

[El Castigador]

Pretty much how it went to be honest.

Thats what I said. He nailed that ****.

[Ray*]

Really? There is no holes in that post? OK...........

Yes, there is but focus on the Mayweather/Mosley part and its pretty much what happened, I like shane and i wouldnt really say he ducked Mayweather in 1999/2000 but in 2006 he ducked Mayweather period...not out of fear but out of dislike thats why i never gave Mayweather any grief when he didnt fight Mosley after oscar.

[jrosales13]

Other then the roids ****. NO.

Floyd NEVER ducked Mosley. Man I seen countless interviews he wanted Mosley his whole career.

Then why did he not go to 135 while Shane was there? Why not fight a top 10 135lber to say I am serious of fighting you? Why not fight Shane after Oscar? Shane was coming off a win over a top 10 fighter who arguably beat the fighter who Floyd fought instead... But, why not fight Shane at that time? Shane wanted it....

[jrosales13]

Yes, there is but focus on the Mayweather/Mosley part and its pretty much what happened, I like shane and i wouldnt really say he ducked Mayweather in 1999/2000 but in 2006 he ducked Mayweather period...not out of fear but out of dislike thats why i never gave Mayweather any grief when he didnt fight Mosley after oscar.

In 2006 yea he could of fought Floyd... but, the whole 1999/2000 is bogus... Shane was a weight drained against Brown... He had to weigh-in twice for that fight... Now lets go back to 2006 it was known that Shane was going to take the rest of the year off after Vargas... Shane was not the type of fighter anymore that fought more than 2x a year... Shane also turned down a fight against Margarito on that same year... Cuz, he didn't want to fight anybody... Could Shane have fought Margarito or Floyd that year? Sure, did he ducked them? No cuz it was somewhat known that he was going to take time off... And, another thing Arum offered Shane money to fight Margarito which Shane turned down... Floyd never offered any type of money to Shane in 2006... He did reach out but no money was offered.... While money was offered for Margarito... which there is a stronger case that Shane ducked Margarito in 2006. But, I still don't think so cuz it was known that Shane was not going to fight for the rest of the year...

[Travdog]

Well I don't know how long most you cats have been watching boxing but Floyd did approach Shane about a fight in 99. Shane wanted 10 mil for the fight. For those who said that Floyd wasn't established ummmm....he was the damn fighter of the year. But that fight couldn't purse Shane 10 mil obviously so pricing himself out means he didn't want that fight.

As far as Shane not ducking other fighters, Shane ducked Margarito after Antonio fought Cintron the first time. He said he was not ready for Margarito. Do your reserach.

You guys need to realize that fighters are not afraid of each other. However they make decisions based on strategy and how they want to steer their careers.

Shane felt that he could market himself better at a higher weight and fight for bigger money so he jumped all the way to 47, avoided Tsyzu, Judah and Phillips, and fought a couple of mediocre fighters to get prepared for he big showdown with Oscar. After that win he fought three bums, then fought Forrest. HBO wouldn't let him fight another bum so he took on Vernon and the rest is history!

[Ray*]

In 2006 yea he could of fought Floyd... but, the whole 1999/2000 is bogus... Shane was a weight drained against Brown... He had to weigh-in twice for that fight... Now lets go back to 2006 it was known that Shane was going to take the rest of the year off after Vargas... Shane was not the type of fighter anymore that fought more than 2x a year... Shane also turned down a fight against Margarito on that same year... Cuz, he didn't want to fight anybody... Could Shane have fought Margarito or Floyd that year? Sure, did he ducked them? No cuz it was somewhat known that he was going to take time off... And, another thing Arum offered Shane money to fight Margarito which Shane turned down... Floyd never offered any type of money to Shane in 2006... He did reach out but no money was offered.... While money was offered for Margarito... which there is a stronger case that Shane ducked Margarito in 2006. But, I still don't think so cuz it was known that Shane was not going to fight for the rest of the year...

You could only ducked someone if you do not have a better fighter or money fight to replace that person, in 2006 when Mosley was fighting to get back into the mix at 147 he didnt want to fight Mayweather, No excuse about how he was going to take the rest of the year off, To me thats a poor excuse because at that time Mosley was still mosley (Hot and a name) And Mayweather had built himself up to the level where the fight was right finacially for both fighters but out of spite or Jin Mosley, Shane said NO and "Quote- He should go fight Margarito for 8Million" or he should go fight Zab Judah (In 2005)..

Mosley wasnt offered the Margarito fight in 2006, The fight was offered to Winky wright for 4 million which winky reject because he wanted the same 8 million that Arum offered Mayweather, Mosley himself said if he got offered the fight for 8 million that he would take the fight but no offer came through.

Am all for Mosley but facts are fact and the fact was he ducked Mayweather for petty reasons back in 2006, You can sugar-coat it whichever way but those facts are there, Now Mayweather could/should have fought him after oscar but he had a better money fight in Hatton and then retirement.

[BritishBoxing92]

Who ducked who back in 2000? I'm going to say Floyd ducked Shane. How many times has Shane ducked a fighter?!

dont know really....but lets just focus on May vs Floyd Right Now

[flyest1]

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/13/sp...ts-it-all.html

- Shane was draining and if anyone seen the fight with John Brown. You knew he was

- Arum made Mosley an offer to fight Floyd

- Arum said Shane was crazy to want a fight with Hoya. He makes the **** anyway, lol.

- The fight is bigger now than it would've been in 99 and 2006.

[Imhotep]

Considering Shane went on to fight Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright at 154lbs, I seriously doubt he was ducking Mayweather at all more than Floyd at the time still making a name for himself.

Didn't Mosley say there was footage of him calling out Mayweather at Lightweight before his fight with Oscar? Or is that what you mean about who's telling the truth?

There is footage of Mosley making tooth ache excuses not to fight Floyd.


And from what i understand according to Floyd they did negotaite a while back to fight but Shane ask for 10 million dollars basically pricing himself out cause neither of them were worth that much back then.