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Originally posted by Makavelli
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first of all, like one poster mentioned, a 'who would win' debate is a weak debate...fantasy matchups are a mixture of using some facts mixed in with opinion...noone really wins but i'll play along and cite some factors that could lead to a PAC victory
Ey it doesnt matter We can talk different stuff. Its good to see a post like this from you. The one line crap makes poeple not take you serious.
afterwards, i get to pick a topic that we can discuss to show how much you really know
- this fight would not be an easy fight for either guy...i dont see a floyd wipeout like he did with the JMM bout...anyone who thinks that is off base
- for a fighter to come off a 2 year lay off, they never come back the same especially if its a fighter that relies on reflexes and timing...although the time could have been needed to heal his body, the level of opposition leading up to the time off plus the inactivity is an obstacle to overcome...for someone that's what? turning 33, 34? its an even more daunting task
The lay off will effect floyd. But in a ppositive way. He is a known over trainer and has had hand and back problems. He got well needed rest. He looked sharp vs. JMM . I also belive he carried him.
- with the factors i've mentioned above, now put that situation in which you're stepping up against in the world (this is where i lose you because you think some 17 year old whoops PAC)
- the reach of PBF is his biggest asset heading into the fight and would be PAC's biggest hurdle...however, as stated by other fighters, trainers and even astute observers; PAC is one of the best in closing the gap...his footwork is underrated but is footspeed is proven
If you close the gap vs. Floyd he clinches or BODIES you on the inside. Pac has NO inside game to speak off and Floyd is stronger then him. In order to close the gap he has to take 2 punches only to still get clinched and reset by the ref.
- PBF is always in control when he sees everything in front of him...he is a cerebral fighter that's always trying to think 2 steps ahead...if he sees it, he counters it...what's the common theme for PAC opponents after fighting him? besides the handspeed and power they underestimate, they always talk about the 'punches they didnt see coming'...its a legit angle when discussing this fight because we dont know how floyd would react to punches he doesn't see coming...
Floyd has the best vison of any fighter in boxing. Dont let him fool you they watch tape and they knows Pac in and out. JMM seen Pacs punches coming stepped back and countered effectively. Of course Floyd will. Hell Cotto had some sucess countering Pac.
i've seen him shoulder roll the wrong direction against Chop Chop and he got tagged a few times...what more if he gets tagged by PAC and has to deal with the 10 punch combo that follows that? can he adjust on the fly and deal with that for 12 rounds?
Floyd has a GRANITE chin. You can count on 1 hand how many times hes been caught Flush. Hes never been hurt and never been dropped. Floyd is too hard to hit for a guy whos punches he WILL see.
- Judah was competitive with PBF for the early parts of that fight...imagine if he had the stamina and mental fortitude of a Pacquiao...the fight would have been 10x better and it might have led to a different result
"I knew he was a front runner" That was Mayweathers plan. They waited for Judah to gas out. He said that POST fight in the ring. He dug Judah to the body and took his stamina away quicker then they anticipated. Judah had sucess because Floyd let him.
- Lastly, you underrate Team PAC's ability to draft, fine tune and execute a sound game plan...they know chasing PBF is most likely the fight scenario and im sure they'll make adjustments to get PBF out of his comfort zone...and in boxing, what if they DID draw PBF into too many exchanges and he starts taking more shots than he's used to...at this stage in his career, does he still have what it takes to weather that?
What if is irrelvant. You cant draw Floyd into a swinging match hes too smart for that.
both fighters have their own sets of tools that would cause problems for anyone...i just think the PAC puzzle might become too much for PBF...PAC is not your textbook fighter that you can read...opponents get befuddled by his unorthodox rhythm and before they know it, they're eating punches
JMM read him like a book. JMM willingness to throw too many punches is what lost him the fight. If he was more controlled he wouldve easly won both.
now, how about something that's NOT PAC, PBF or Paul Williams related?
Like I said I have no problems debating whatever. I dont know everything but I know alot.
Ey it doesnt matter We can talk different stuff. Its good to see a post like this from you. The one line crap makes poeple not take you serious.
afterwards, i get to pick a topic that we can discuss to show how much you really know
- this fight would not be an easy fight for either guy...i dont see a floyd wipeout like he did with the JMM bout...anyone who thinks that is off base
- for a fighter to come off a 2 year lay off, they never come back the same especially if its a fighter that relies on reflexes and timing...although the time could have been needed to heal his body, the level of opposition leading up to the time off plus the inactivity is an obstacle to overcome...for someone that's what? turning 33, 34? its an even more daunting task
The lay off will effect floyd. But in a ppositive way. He is a known over trainer and has had hand and back problems. He got well needed rest. He looked sharp vs. JMM . I also belive he carried him.
- with the factors i've mentioned above, now put that situation in which you're stepping up against in the world (this is where i lose you because you think some 17 year old whoops PAC)
- the reach of PBF is his biggest asset heading into the fight and would be PAC's biggest hurdle...however, as stated by other fighters, trainers and even astute observers; PAC is one of the best in closing the gap...his footwork is underrated but is footspeed is proven
If you close the gap vs. Floyd he clinches or BODIES you on the inside. Pac has NO inside game to speak off and Floyd is stronger then him. In order to close the gap he has to take 2 punches only to still get clinched and reset by the ref.
- PBF is always in control when he sees everything in front of him...he is a cerebral fighter that's always trying to think 2 steps ahead...if he sees it, he counters it...what's the common theme for PAC opponents after fighting him? besides the handspeed and power they underestimate, they always talk about the 'punches they didnt see coming'...its a legit angle when discussing this fight because we dont know how floyd would react to punches he doesn't see coming...
Floyd has the best vison of any fighter in boxing. Dont let him fool you they watch tape and they knows Pac in and out. JMM seen Pacs punches coming stepped back and countered effectively. Of course Floyd will. Hell Cotto had some sucess countering Pac.
i've seen him shoulder roll the wrong direction against Chop Chop and he got tagged a few times...what more if he gets tagged by PAC and has to deal with the 10 punch combo that follows that? can he adjust on the fly and deal with that for 12 rounds?
Floyd has a GRANITE chin. You can count on 1 hand how many times hes been caught Flush. Hes never been hurt and never been dropped. Floyd is too hard to hit for a guy whos punches he WILL see.
- Judah was competitive with PBF for the early parts of that fight...imagine if he had the stamina and mental fortitude of a Pacquiao...the fight would have been 10x better and it might have led to a different result
"I knew he was a front runner" That was Mayweathers plan. They waited for Judah to gas out. He said that POST fight in the ring. He dug Judah to the body and took his stamina away quicker then they anticipated. Judah had sucess because Floyd let him.
- Lastly, you underrate Team PAC's ability to draft, fine tune and execute a sound game plan...they know chasing PBF is most likely the fight scenario and im sure they'll make adjustments to get PBF out of his comfort zone...and in boxing, what if they DID draw PBF into too many exchanges and he starts taking more shots than he's used to...at this stage in his career, does he still have what it takes to weather that?
What if is irrelvant. You cant draw Floyd into a swinging match hes too smart for that.
both fighters have their own sets of tools that would cause problems for anyone...i just think the PAC puzzle might become too much for PBF...PAC is not your textbook fighter that you can read...opponents get befuddled by his unorthodox rhythm and before they know it, they're eating punches
JMM read him like a book. JMM willingness to throw too many punches is what lost him the fight. If he was more controlled he wouldve easly won both.
now, how about something that's NOT PAC, PBF or Paul Williams related?
Like I said I have no problems debating whatever. I dont know everything but I know alot.
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