Comments Thread For: Mayweather Takes Verbal Shots at Pacquiao and Mosley

[juan pedro]

Floyd's a big pac fan

FLOYD'S A REAL PAC FAN... google it "mayweather cheering pacquiao"

Pacman agreed to be blood tested 3x including 1 in his locker room immediately after the fight, if he's on steroid it will still show. He's not afraid of needles or blood testing. The mayweather camp discovered pacman's kryptonite months before they challenged him, that is blood drawn close to the fight just like what happened in pacman's first bout with morales which he lost. Watch "pacquiao interview by dong puno 2005" on you tube to know better the issue on blood testing.

Pacman has been knocking down his opponents even before he reached the U.S. Watch teenager pacquiao vs mendones on you tube & see for yourself that pacman has always been fast & powerful inside the ring.

The steroid accusation is baseless as it was started by the mayweather & golden boy camps out of jealousy to pacman's success & popularity in global boxing.

[thatnickuh]

My bias is exposed along with the likes of Dougie Fischer,Bert Sugar,Dan Rafael and Larry Merchant among a few other notable observers, so I would say I'm in good company.

I would say that you're not. Comparing yourself to those guys actually proves my point. Thanks. Sugar is completely ignorant when it comes to PEDs and how they can used these days. They guy sounded like an idiot when offering his opinion on the issue.

In addition your question as to why I should care about Mayweather's motivations and why should it matter to me as a fan? The same way Mayweather fans argue about PPV sales and money, it shouldn't matter to them as boxing fans either correct?

What kind of weak*ss response is this? You can't do any better?

To be clear I think Pac is innocent...you know why? Follow the bouncing ball here...because he hasn't been proven guilty of anything, it's called the presumption of innocence and it's the standard of law we follow.

No, you follow the bouncing ball: PROFESSIONAL SPORTS ISN'T A COURT OF LAW. Did you follow that okay? No professional athlete is presumed innocent until proven guilty when it comes to PED use. Still with me? All professional athletes must submit to some kind of drug testing whether they've previously tested positive or not. Both Mayweather and Pacquiao were already mandated to submit to drug testing, the only issue was with the thoroughness of the testing. So please retire the "Pacquiao has never been caught, he's innocent until proven guilty" excuse. The excuse that Pacquiao was justified in refusing the testing because he's insulted at Mayweather accusing him of PED use is so tired and played out. It simply doesn't fly. This is not a matter of principle, Pacquiao is a professional athlete.

Let me ask you a question...what day did you specifically start caring about this issue and be honest? Have you ever commented in any post on this forum prior to the Mayweather/Pac proposed fight regarding your concerns about PEDs in boxing? Remember it's easy to find posts on this site, so be honest.

Your question is irrelevant, it's a weak and poor attempt to change the subject. Just like Mayweather's motivations, it doesn't matter. If Pacquiao was clean then he should have had no problem taking the tests. Refusing the tests only makes it look as if he has something to hide regardless of people like you attempting to spin this to try and make it look like something else. That is what matters.

[tru2boxingfan]

My bias is exposed along with the likes of Dougie Fischer,Bert Sugar,Dan Rafael and Larry Merchant among a few other notable observers, so I would say I'm in good company.

In addition your question as to why I should care about Mayweather's motivations and why should it matter to me as a fan? The same way Mayweather fans argue about PPV sales and money, it shouldn't matter to them as boxing fans either correct?

To be clear I think Pac is innocent...you know why? Follow the bouncing ball here...because he hasn't been proven guilty of anything, it's called the presumption of innocence and it's the standard of law we follow. Now if the accusations came from regulatory body such as an athletic commission, then I would have su****ions because these individuals are professionals and educated-- I would listen to what they have to say. Why would I listen to Floyd Mayweather who has the intelligence of a fornica table top.

Let me ask you a question...what day did you specifically start caring about this issue and be honest? Have you ever commented in any post on this forum prior to the Mayweather/Pac proposed fight regarding your concerns about PEDs in boxing? Remember it's easy to find posts on this site, so be honest.

Dougie Fischer,Bert Sugar,Dan Rafael and e****ally Larry Merchant have all for a long time wanted to see Floyd lose. Any real boxing fan can see that they are biased towards certain fighters. They would be saying the exact opposite thing if Manny had asked for Olympic Style Testing. They would give praise to how he is trying to better the sport, how he has so much class and such a great, and etc... It's apart of promotion. I consider myself well-educated so for me to need some other persons biased theories to back up what I believe in makes no sense.

Now you raise a legit question did anyone care about PEDS before Mayweather/Pac demands. As I have not been on this forum for a long time, because to be quite honest I just started to do the forum chats. I have been interested in how sports was going to stop PEDS for a long time. Who was going to step up and take provisions needed to insure the safety of these great athletes. I watch documentaries non-stop and I see how it is dangerous for fighters when using loaded gloves. I see how its dangerous for a fighter when using PEDS and i feel that boxing isn't strict enough on policies to enforce order in boxing. To be honest the Commission board sucks in boxing. Explain this to me Ali gets banned for 3 and 1/2 yrs for standing up for what he believe in and his freedom of speech, but Margarito gets suspended for only a yr for being caught doing something illegal.

[switchsouthpaw]

I would say that you're not. Comparing yourself to those guys actually proves my point. Thanks. Sugar is completely ignorant when it comes to PEDs and how they can used these days. They guy sounded like an idiot when offering his opinion on the issue.

As I've stated before. I trust their educated opinion over that of Mayweather and the majority of his supporters. There are only a handful of posters on here anyway that I would actually listen to if they spoke on an issue of concern to them, because I respect their informed opinions.

What kind of weak*ss response is this? You can't do any better? I'M NOT IN COMPETITION WITH YOU, SO YOU JUDGING MY RESPONSE AS WEAK IS OF NO CONCERN TO ME WHAT SO EVER.

No, you follow the bouncing ball: PROFESSIONAL SPORTS ISN'T A COURT OF LAW. Did you follow that okay? No professional athlete is presumed innocent until proven guilty when it comes to PED use. Still with me? All professional athletes must submit to some kind of drug testing whether they've previously tested positive or not. Both Mayweather and Pacquiao were already mandated to submit to drug testing, the only issue was with the thoroughness of the testing. So please retire the "Pacquiao has never been caught, he's innocent until proven guilty" excuse. The excuse that Pacquiao was justified in refusing the testing because he's insulted at Mayweather accusing him of PED use is so tired and played out. It simply doesn't fly. This is not a matter of principle, Pacquiao is a professional athlete.

Governing rules are dependent on jurisdiction and the laws/regulations applied in those jurisdictions IE Nevada and California having different testing requirements, applicable to their respective laws. This represents fact and not your emotions over the issue.

Your question is irrelevant, it's a weak and poor attempt to change the subject. Just like Mayweather's motivations, it doesn't matter. If Pacquiao was clean then he should have had no problem taking the tests. Refusing the tests only makes it look as if he has something to hide regardless of people like you attempting to spin this to try and make it look like something else. That is what matters.

It's entirely relevant when assessing reasoning behind certain requests. Dan Rafael noted in his column that Floyd Mayweather isn't bigger than the sport of boxing, until the rules are changed then you play the game according to those rules, not allowing any one fighter including Pac to dictate regulatory terms. By the way the fight isn't happening and I could care less either way, both are in tough and that's good for boxing.

[switchsouthpaw]

Dougie Fischer,Bert Sugar,Dan Rafael and e****ally Larry Merchant have all for a long time wanted to see Floyd lose. Any real boxing fan can see that they are biased towards certain fighters. They would be saying the exact opposite thing if Manny had asked for Olympic Style Testing. They would give praise to how he is trying to better the sport, how he has so much class and such a great, and etc... It's apart of promotion. I consider myself well-educated so for me to need some other persons biased theories to back up what I believe in makes no sense.

Now you raise a legit question did anyone care about PEDS before Mayweather/Pac demands. As I have not been on this forum for a long time, because to be quite honest I just started to do the forum chats. I have been interested in how sports was going to stop PEDS for a long time. Who was going to step up and take provisions needed to insure the safety of these great athletes. I watch documentaries non-stop and I see how it is dangerous for fighters when using loaded gloves. I see how its dangerous for a fighter when using PEDS and i feel that boxing isn't strict enough on policies to enforce order in boxing. To be honest the Commission board sucks in boxing. Explain this to me Ali gets banned for 3 and 1/2 yrs for standing up for what he believe in and his freedom of speech, but Margarito gets suspended for only a yr for being caught doing something illegal.

I have a high amount of respect for all of those gentleman, they have experience in the sport dating back generations and they offer informed opinions which I happen to agree with. The reason I brought those men into the discussion is because they are widely respected in the community of boxing, similarly when you need an opinion on taxation you would speak to either a tax attorney or CPA, someone specializing in that field. These men specialize in the field of boxing, as all are well studied.

These men are historians,journalists and old school boxing writers, all of whom are educated and offer real insight not just injection of emotion into the sport of boxing.

[thatnickuh]

As I've stated before. I trust their educated opinion over that of Mayweather and the majority of his supporters.

There are people who's opinions that I trust, but when it comes down to it I can form and support my own opinions. So what those people share your position on this issue? Atlas and many others agree with my position, but I don't need to bring them up in order to support my opinion. I have to be honest, you don't seem capable of backing your opinion up with an intelligent supporting argument.

I'M NOT IN COMPETITION WITH YOU, SO YOU JUDGING MY RESPONSE AS WEAK IS OF NO CONCERN TO ME WHAT SO EVER.

Unfortunately I think it's the exact opposite. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings or personally insult you, I just take issue with you not being able to support your argument here. You answer a question with a question. It doesn't get much weaker than that.

Governing rules are dependent on jurisdiction and the laws/regulations applied in those jurisdictions IE Nevada and California having different testing requirements, applicable to their respective laws. This represents fact and not your emotions over the issue.

You accusing me of being emotional is ironic seeing how it's you who's concerning yourself with motivations and things like that. Not only are you trying to analyze and critique Mayweather's motives for requesting more stringent testing. You're trying to critique the motives of posters who are in favor of more stringent testing, and it's all in defense of Pacquiao. You're obviously emotionally invested in protecting and making excuses for Pacquiao. All I care about as a boxing fans is that the fight didn't get made because one of the fighters refused to agree to random blood testing. If the situation was reversed, I'd look at Mayweather with su****ion.

It's entirely relevant when assessing reasoning behind certain requests. Dan Rafael noted in his column that Floyd Mayweather isn't bigger than the sport of boxing, until the rules are changed then you play the game according to those rules, not allow any one fighter including Pac to dictate regulatory terms.

This "rules" BS is another tired argument. Rules in boxing are negotiated on a fight by fight basis, especially when talking about the big fights. That's why Pacquiao was allowed to request that insane weight penalty clause. Do you think that 10 million dollar penalty clause is part of the standard rules in Nevada? How about the clause he requested to have Cotto come in at a catchweight to defend his own title? Please retire this tired excuse with the "Pacquiao is innocnet until proven guilty" excuse.

[tru2boxingfan]

I have a high amount of respect for all of those gentleman, they have experience in the sport dating back generations and they offer informed opinions which I happen to agree with. The reason I brought those men into the discussion is because they are widely respected in the community of boxing, similarly when you need an opinion on taxation you would speak to either a tax attorney or CPA, someone specializing in that field.

These men are historians,journalists and old school boxing writers, all of whom are educated and offer real insight not just injection of emotion into the sport of boxing.

Yet you can't find one article where any of them question Pacquiao and his demands. No one questions the 10 million for every lb over, the 8. oz gloves, and the smaller ring size, but that 1 demand that Floyd makes everyone jumps all over it.

Take Emanuel Steward completely honest in every opinion he gives. Doesn't really hold his tounge and is probably the best analyst when it comes to breaking down the fight. After the Floyd vs JMM fight he is the only who says "to be quite honest it wouldn't have made any difference what weight Floyd came in, because he is on a whole other lvl and I believe the outcome would have been exactly the same". Every one else is touching on the 2lbs. and trying to discredit the fight because of 2 lbs, on top of that tries to say Floyd can have easily gain much more weight and was making outrageous estimates on what he weigh b.c he didnt give his ring weight.

[decipher]

So, when Floyd was asked (after his fight with JMM and before Pac fought Cotto) about what he thought about how good Pac looked coming up in weight and dominating his opponents, he said "I done the same thing!".... is that "beyond the realm of normality"?

i cant tell you with all certainty what he was thinking when and if he said that, however, what i can tell you is that i simply thought that when pac fought delahoya i attributed the performance to a weight drained, shot delahoya..in the hatton fight i was a bit surprised how much he did hurt him even though hatton cant block a punch to save his life...but when he beat cotto, i was very surprised. I understand cotto is a shell of himself after marg but come on..to hurt him like that is just not normal given the circumstances. Cotto took shots from heavier hands (mosely, marg w/plaster)and has took those shots fairly well..think about it, all i am saying is that asking for the test is not disrespectul, its rather logical.

[jltsmae]

Not thinking of Manny anymore?

Speaking to S** Sports News, Mayweather insisted he was no longer thinking about 'Pac-Man', who will face Joshua Clottey on March 13 in Dallas.

Focused

"I'm just focused on nobody but Shane at this particular time. My main focus is Shane Mosley," he replied when asked about the Filipino.

[check hook]

My bias is exposed along with the likes of Dougie Fischer,Bert Sugar,Dan Rafael and Larry Merchant among a few other notable observers, so I would say I'm in good company.

In addition your question as to why I should care about Mayweather's motivations and why should it matter to me as a fan? The same way Mayweather fans argue about PPV sales and money, it shouldn't matter to them as boxing fans either correct?

To be clear I think Pac is innocent...you know why? Follow the bouncing ball here...because he hasn't been proven guilty of anything, it's called the presumption of innocence and it's the standard of law we follow. Now if the accusations came from regulatory body such as an athletic commission, then I would have su****ions because these individuals are professionals and educated-- I would listen to what they have to say. Why would I listen to Floyd Mayweather who has the intelligence of a fornica table top.

Let me ask you a question...what day did you specifically start caring about this issue and be honest? Have you ever commented in any post on this forum prior to the Mayweather/Pac proposed fight regarding your concerns about PEDs in boxing? Remember it's easy to find posts on this site, so be honest.

Bert Sugar, Dan Rafael and Larry Merchant.....??? hahaha.....GTFO

Bert Sugar would have to be the most pompous "expert" in the sport today. He has not been relevant for 2 decades.

I have only ever heard Merchant praise Mayweather twice. Once was when he annihilated Corrales...the other when Mayweather fought Judah (the only fighter Merchant hates more than Mayweather)

Rafael = reporter.....nuff said.


Switchsouthpaw = biggest mayweather hater on BS.