The Gameplan that Roach inplemented againest Floyd Mayweather heavily relyed on....

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

I been saying this for years... If you look at the shoulder roll you will notice that it doesn't cover the temple. Shane's right is aimed at the temple.

A looping R will connect but pbf will roll that shot and counter with his R.

[shadeyfizzle]

Go bak to pbf's last fight and watch that counter R while he was backpedaling. Oh, and he KO'd Hatton off the back foot with his lead hand. I totally disagree with you.

go back to my 1st post where i say the danger is when floyd plants his feet. Yes he can counter while backpedaling and do it very effectively but he is never in perpetual motion when he does those things. He had his feet set, then counters and backpedals and/or sidesteps all in the same motion, therefore he still has power behind those shots when he does it.

[shadeyfizzle]

good post.



so what do you suggest shane do? mayweather is a natural mover, so making him move is easy....my question is what on earth can mosley do to keep floyd from firing counter-shots?

outside of throwing punches, and then grabbing floyd, realisticly, what can mosley do?

he can not stand in front of floyd for 1. Floyd is very good at lulling opponents to sleep then attacking. He'll hop on his bike and get his opponents to chase him and then stop of all a sudden. 99% of the time his opponent will then stop too right in front of him. Floyd will pop a couple off 1st with his superior reflexes and rinse and repeat.

Mosley cannot get caught sleeping like that. if floyd stops he must keep his feet moving to create angles and keep floyd from setting his feet. Mosley must continue to work to trap floyd IN A CORNER and not be content with having floyd on the ropes. because floyd does some of his best work off the ropes and his opponents almost always make the mistake of squaring up right in front him when he's on the ropes as well.

[AllEyesOpen]

IMO Mosley will have to use his quickness, which he can still call upon in bursts, and his chin, which is still one of the best in the game, to stay on Mayweather's chest and just make Mayweather uncomfortable like Hatton did for a few rounds. Mosley has the tools but he'll have to take some risk and some hard, accurate counterpunches that might rock him but that's the only way i see him getting a win. Pressure Mayweather smart for the first 6+ rounds and he should get a decision, but if he loses his composure he'll be in for a tough fight.

I'll tell you this, If Floyd is training to come in with a good hard jab to the head and body then Mosley's **** out of luck.

[FLY TY]

he can not stand in front of floyd for 1. Floyd is very good at lulling opponents to sleep then attacking. He'll hop on his bike and get his opponents to chase him and then stop of all a sudden. 99% of the time his opponent will then stop too right in front of him. Floyd will pop a couple off 1st with his superior reflexes and rinse and repeat.

Mosley cannot get caught sleeping like that. if floyd stops he must keep his feet moving to create angles and keep floyd from setting his feet. Mosley must continue to work to trap floyd IN A CORNER and not be content with having floyd on the ropes. because floyd does some of his best work off the ropes and his opponents almost always make the mistake of squaring up right in front him when he's on the ropes as well.

i understand what you're trying to get at, i just don't see how mosley can REALISTICLY keep floyd from effectively countering him, unless he hits, then holds.

what you're suggesting he do, will have him completely dead in the water by the 6th round. i don't think shane has the stamina to chase floyd, and keep him completely off balance for 12 rounds.

[shadeyfizzle]

i understand what you're trying to get at, i just don't see how mosley can REALISTICLY keep floyd from effectively countering him, unless he hits, then holds.

what you're suggesting he do, will have him completely dead in the water by the 6th round. i don't think shane has the stamina to chase floyd, and keep him completely off balance for 12 rounds.

i just dont realistically see it either. just been saying that if mosley has any chance at all of winning it'll be won with his feet, and not his hands like the ts implies.

[mathed]

Feints need to be used to beat Floyd. Feint a right with a shoulder twitch and then when Floyd commits with the shoulder roll, follow through underneath with a right hook to the exposed ribs and lats. A few of those should have Floyd loweing his left elbow when he goes to roll, which would allow for the right over top. Mosley needs to rough Floyd up all night against the ropes and give him no space at all. It can be done, but it won't be easy

[check hook]

It seems like it would have happened by now if it was going to.

Mosley's only chance is non-stop pressure, and he needs to get rough. Push him around a little, hold him against the ropes.

He needs to tee off when he gets floyd on the ropes....and he needs to do it intelligently....else he will get hit coming in.........

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

AHHHHHHHHH! A breath of fresh air. A thread about STRATEGY. Good posts guys.

Where I see the fight going ssm's way is if he sets up his L hook. Pbf bends at the waist to his right plenty of times throughout his bouts. A perfectly timed R feint followed by a L to the body may score a head shot. ssm's overhand R is so predictable and I dont see him scoring too much with it.

IMO ssm has made his name off fighting opponents that are face 1st. Each time he has ****** with someone who has technical savvy between the ropes, he becomes befuddled and takes the L! ssm ring IQ is nuthing to be desired. And thats why I think pbf outclasses him on May 1.

Exactly what I was thinking, you just said it much better.

I Don't think an ordinary left hook will do. Mayweather always anticipates the left hook after he rolls to his right. I think something like the punch Oscar used to throw, he called them 45's, something between a hook and an uppercut. I figured Mosley should aim for the solar plexus or chest area, that way if Mayweather rolls back to his left, the punch might graze his body and possibly clip Mayweather right on the chin, if Mayweather decides to stay in the pocket, Mosley should be able to slip in some vicious body shot. Sounds good in theory.

What do you think about Mosley throwing a looping right to Mayweather's left kidney area when he rolls to his right?

[FLY TY]

i think a good jab is the best weapon to have against mayweather. it's the only thing that seems to disrupt him a little bit.

mosley has no jab.