The Gameplan that Roach inplemented againest Floyd Mayweather heavily relyed on....

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

Mayweather breaking down some of his technique.

[!! Shawn]

A good right hand. (Which Mosley has)

If you remember the 24-7 for Oscar-Mayweather, you will remember that Roach was trying to develop Oscar's right, because Roach feels that Floyds shoulder roll is open to a right down the pipe.

Do you guys think Mosley will be able to have success with the right?? I mean Oscar did land it a few times, and so did JMM.

What's your take? Is the shoulder roll a invite for a right?

No. You are never going to get past the shoulder with a right hand. Maybe a clubbing overhand, but nothing straight.

[!! Shawn]

i dont think Mosley will win either but he doesnt necessarily have to cut the ring down to create angles on Floyd.

The shoulder roll's biggest weakness is that the fighter must be stationary to use it. If floyd wants to get on his bike then fine, just dont ever let him get off his bike. If Mosley uses movement and pressure effectively then floyd will be running the whole fight and wont have an opportunity to throw back.

The danger comes when he lets floyd set his feet. like when he lays on the ropes.

Thats not true, you can use the shoulder on the move, its actually much easier on the move, but its most visible when you are on the ropes rocking back and forth.

Don't make this mistake of thinking Floyds only defense against right hands is to roll them. Floyd has very few holes in his game, and his defense isn't one of them.

This is coming from someone who frankly is not that fond of Floyd. Quite frankly, there are few things in life that would bring me more joy than to see Floyd knocked out cold.

[!! Shawn]

If Shane has any chance to win against floyd at all it's going to be with his FEET. Not his hands.

Floyd loves to lull opponents to sleep. He'll get on his bike and let his opponent chase him. Then he'll stop to set and his opponent will stop right there in front of him...allowing floyd to get off a potshot or 2 first then hop back on his bike.

Shane cannot get drawn into that pattern. when floyd plants his feet shane MUST keep moving to create angles on floyd...and trap him in the corner...not the ropes.

People always call Floyd a runner, but the truth is that he has never been a runner outside of his fight with Castillo, which I feel he lost, he just isn't a runner.

He operates in steps, a step to this side, a step to that side, a step back, but he never gets on his bike because he always like to have his feet firmly under him.

Does that mean he stands and trades? No it doesn't but he doesn't run.

[FloydTBE]

Lets go money mayweather

[shadeyfizzle]

Thats not true, you can use the shoulder on the move, its actually much easier on the move, but its most visible when you are on the ropes rocking back and forth.

Don't make this mistake of thinking Floyds only defense against right hands is to roll them. Floyd has very few holes in his game, and his defense isn't one of them.

This is coming from someone who frankly is not that fond of Floyd. Quite frankly, there are few things in life that would bring me more joy than to see Floyd knocked out cold.

yes...you can shoulder roll on the move....but you cant counter effectively while on the move which is what i was alluding to.

Floyd has great defense. but like freddie roach says..."so what? defense doesnt win fights." If floyd wants to be defensive then fine. The danger comes when he counters, and does it effectively. so dont let him set his feet to be able to counter effectively.

So like i said...if shane was to have any chance of winning. it'll be with his feet. if he can keep mayweather moving and not letting him set his feet, and not stopping right in front of floyd who will have the superior reflexes to sneak in 2 or 3 shots and move again before mosley can even react.

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

AHHHHHHHHH! A breath of fresh air. A thread about STRATEGY. Good posts guys.

Where I see the fight going ssm's way is if he sets up his L hook. Pbf bends at the waist to his right plenty of times throughout his bouts. A perfectly timed R feint followed by a L to the body may score a head shot. ssm's overhand R is so predictable and I dont see him scoring too much with it.

IMO ssm has made his name off fighting opponents that are face 1st. Each time he has ****** with someone who has technical savvy between the ropes, he becomes befuddled and takes the L! ssm ring IQ is nuthing to be desired. And thats why I think pbf outclasses him on May 1.

[FLY TY]

People always call Floyd a runner, but the truth is that he has never been a runner outside of his fight with Castillo, which I feel he lost, he just isn't a runner.

He operates in steps, a step to this side, a step to that side, a step back, but he never gets on his bike because he always like to have his feet firmly under him.

Does that mean he stands and trades? No it doesn't but he doesn't run.

good post.

yes...you can shoulder roll on the move....but you cant counter effectively while on the move which is what i was alluding to.

Floyd has great defense. but like freddie roach says..."so what? defense doesnt win fights." If floyd wants to be defensive then fine. The danger comes when he counters, and does it effectively. so dont let him set his feet to be able to counter effectively.

So like i said...if shane was to have any chance of winning. it'll be with his feet. if he can keep mayweather moving and not letting him set his feet, and not stopping right in front of floyd who will have the superior reflexes to sneak in 2 or 3 shots and move again before mosley can even react.

so what do you suggest shane do? mayweather is a natural mover, so making him move is easy....my question is what on earth can mosley do to keep floyd from firing counter-shots?

outside of throwing punches, and then grabbing floyd, realisticly, what can mosley do?

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

yes...you can shoulder roll on the move....but you cant counter effectively while on the move which is what i was alluding to.

Floyd has great defense. but like freddie roach says..."so what? defense doesnt win fights." If floyd wants to be defensive then fine. The danger comes when he counters, and does it effectively. so dont let him set his feet to be able to counter effectively.

So like i said...if shane was to have any chance of winning. it'll be with his feet. if he can keep mayweather moving and not letting him set his feet, and not stopping right in front of floyd who will have the superior reflexes to sneak in 2 or 3 shots and move again before mosley can even react.

Go bak to pbf's last fight and watch that counter R while he was backpedaling. Oh, and he KO'd Hatton off the back foot with his lead hand. I totally disagree with you.

[shadeyfizzle]

AHHHHHHHHH! A breath of fresh air. A thread about STRATEGY. Good posts guys.

Where I see the fight going ssm's way is if he sets up his L hook. Pbf bends at the waist to his right plenty of times throughout his bouts. A perfectly timed R feint followed by a L to the body may score a head shot. ssm's overhand R is so predictable and I dont see him scoring too much with it.

IMO ssm has made his name off fighting opponents that are face 1st. Each time he has ****** with someone who has technical savvy between the ropes, he becomes befuddled and takes the L! ssm ring IQ is nuthing to be desired. And thats why I think pbf outclasses him on May 1.

I think Mosley will lose but i dont think it'll have much to do with his ring iq.

I think he'll know the entire time what Floyd is doing. just wont be able to stop it.