Comments Thread For: Mosley: Mayweather Wouldn't Fight The Guys Who Beat Me

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He was groggy from the accidental clash of heads.

Dave, come on man! I saw that fight and Vernon was
whipping Mosley's ass. Even made Shane yell from a
body punch.

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To be fair, Wess, very few people (even including Floyd haters) are claiming Mosley is shot. Most people (even including Floyd haters) regard Mosley as the #1 or at worst the #2 Welterweight, and regard him as Floyd's biggest challenge since at least Oscar and possibly since Castillo.

The reason some (not just haters) aren't giving Floyd full props for taking this fight is that they feel he was more or less forced into taking it when Berto pulled out, because he'd have lost all credibility if he'd fought anyone else, especially as Pac had agreed to fight a live Welterweight in Clottey, and without a catchweight.

And although I do give Floyd props for taking the fight, I also think people have a point, to a certain extent, when they say that, for two reasons.

1) Mayweather-Mosley could and really should have been made for January instead of Berto-Mosley. Mosley only took the Berto fight because he couldn't get a fight with Mayweather.

2) Until Pac took the fight with Clottey, there were all sorts of weird stories that Floyd was planning to take a tune-up fight with a nobody (Malignaggi and even Matthew Hatton were saying they'd been approached by his team and he never denied the stories). So I don't think it's completely unfair to conclude that it was only when Pac agreed to fight Clottey that Floyd realised he'd have to fight a top Welterweight next or he'd lose the PR battle with Pac and he'd lose his credibility.

Come on Dave. First off, everyone who is not in denial knows
Floyd tried to fight Mosley prior. 2. Freddie Roach and Bob Arum
don't even believe that Clottey is a live wire for Pac even without
the catch weight.

[Dave Rado]

Miguel Cotto fought and won PWill's belt at 147 without
fighting The Punisher. Also, Mosley flat out said he doesn't want
anything with Paul Williams. Why all the weight on Floyd shoulders
to fight PWill when Cotto and Mosley didn't want to?

Mosley wouldn't fight PWill at this stage in his career, but at the time he fought Winky and Forrest, he'd have fought PWill too, if PWill had been around then. So when Mosley said that he lost to people who Floyd would never have fought if Floyd had been in the same situation, I think he has a point.

Mosley is 38, and close to retirement now and has not made nearly as much money up to now as he feels his ability warrants (plus he's had an expensive divorce). So he feels he deserves to pick fights now where the reward matches the risk. He doesn't want to take high risk low reward fights any more. But in the past he fought all contenders, regardless of how high the risk and regardless of the reward.

[markkerr101]

He was groggy from the accidental clash of heads.

yeah? so a head is harder than a sledgehammer. INteresting Watson!

[amayseng]

Shane should worry less about who Floyd hasn't fought from his own past, and more about who Floyd is fighting next.

no shane is doing the right thing.

first he is telling the truth.

second he is selling the fight.

and third and most importantly he is doing what no other fighter has ever done, seriously talk smack with belief which will play a bit on floyd...
he wants floyd to know hes coming after him and then when fight time comes he is gonna use another strategy to beat floyd, watch...

[Dave Rado]

Come on Dave. First off, everyone who is not in denial knows
Floyd tried to fight Mosley prior. 2. Freddie Roach and Bob Arum
don't even believe that Clottey is a live wire for Pac even without
the catch weight.

Floyd has tried to get a fight in the past but in the past year Mosley has repeatedly called him out and until the Berto fight fell through, Floyd didn't seem interested. Funnily enough, at that time it was Floyd's fans who kept claiming that Mosley was shot (not you, but a lot of Floyd fans were making that claim and saying that's why Floyd wasn't fighting him).

Just because Roach is confident he'll beat Clottey (and was equally confident that he'd beat Cotto) doesn't make him not a live wire, that's ridiculous. Clottey is a very big and very strong Welterweight, with an extremely tight defence; and he's very hard to beat or to look good against. He gave Cotto a hellish night and was beating Margarito until he injured his hand. He also beat Zab more easily than anyone else had done. He's rated higher than Berto by The Ring and by almost every other reputable independent ratings body. He was by far the biggest challenge at Welterweight who was available at that time, given that Mosley had already signed to fight Berto (and the Haiti disaster hadn't happened yet).

[Dave Rado]

yeah? so a head is harder than a sledgehammer. INteresting Watson!

You take things too literally! The guy was being metaphorical when he referred to a sledgehammer.

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Mosley wouldn't fight PWill at this stage in his career, but at the time he fought Winky and Forrest, he'd have fought PWill too, if PWill had been around then. So when Mosley said that he lost to people who Floyd would never have fought if Floyd had been in the same situation, I think he has a point.

Mosley is 38, and close to retirement now and has not made nearly as much money up to now as he feels his ability warrants (plus he's had an expensive divorce). So he feels he deserves to pick fights now where the reward matches the risk. He doesn't want to take high risk low reward fights any more. But in the past he fought all contenders, regardless of how high the risk and regardless of the reward.

But that doesn't change the fact that Mosley didn't want
to fight Paul Williams and the same goes for Cotto. Floyd
was/is already getting big money fights so with your analogy,
why would Floyd go from fighting MEGA PPV's to fighting Paul
Williams? Bottomline is, that Cotto/Mosley/Floyd/Pacquiao will
not fight Williams because there is no big money involved and
that is what it boils down to. Can't really say if Shane would
have fought Paul or not back then and can't say the same for
a hungry Floyd. If Paul was the right fight it would have got
made. It still remains a fact that Floyd tried to fight Shane
when he was at Lightweight and Welterweight. Can't excuse
Shane for not fighting Williams but in the same breath say
it is wrong for Floyd to do so.

[S.G.]

To be fair, Wess, very few people (even including Floyd haters) are claiming Mosley is shot. Most people (even including Floyd haters) regard Mosley as the #1 or at worst the #2 Welterweight, and regard him as Floyd's biggest challenge since at least Oscar and possibly since Castillo.

The reason some (not just haters) aren't giving Floyd full props for taking this fight is that they feel he was more or less forced into taking it when Berto pulled out, because he'd have lost all credibility if he'd fought anyone else, especially as Pac had agreed to fight a live Welterweight in Clottey, and without a catchweight.

And although I do give Floyd props for taking the fight, I also think people have a point, to a certain extent, when they say that, for two reasons.

1) Mayweather-Mosley could and really should have been made for January instead of Berto-Mosley. Mosley only took the Berto fight because he couldn't get a fight with Mayweather.

2) Until Pac took the fight with Clottey, there were all sorts of weird stories that Floyd was planning to take a tune-up fight with a nobody (Malignaggi and even Matthew Hatton were saying they'd been approached by his team and he never denied the stories). So I don't think it's completely unfair to conclude that it was only when Pac agreed to fight Clottey that Floyd realised he'd have to fight a top Welterweight next or he'd lose the PR battle with Pac and he'd lose his credibility.

Since when has Mayweather ever been known to do things he doesn't want to do? No, all this "Mayweather was forced into the fight" spiel is absolute nonsense. Mayweather lined Pacquiao up, Pacquiao balked, so he moved onto the next best fight - Mosley.

The people making out like Mayweather had a gun pointed at his head by Schaefer while he was signing the contract are the same bunch of clowns that will use any shred of inconsequential bull**** to make Mayweather look bad.

[Dave Rado]

Can't excuse
Shane for not fighting Williams but in the same breath say
it is wrong for Floyd to do so.

Floyd is still in his prime, and he wants to go down in history as a top 10 ATG. To achieve the latter he'll need to beat Williams. Plus most consider that he hasn't really fought the best possible competition since he was at Lightweight. (You may disagree but that's not an argument I'm interested in having in this thread - the fact is that most people do consider that to be the case).

Mosley has no illusions about being a top 10 ATG, and although he is still a top P4P fighter, he is no longer in his prime (similar to Hopkins), and most people consider that he did spend his prime years fighting the best possible opposition.

So their situations simply aren't comparable.