Can HBO make Williams a draw???

[Iceta Lives]

I honestly don't think beating Pavlik will make Williams a star because hardly anyone outside of Youngstown know who Pavlik is. He just needs to keep doing what he's doing and settle for what is out there.

[el malo]

i digress. to become a star, you have to.....

A) fight in a city where you have the total support if the city

and/or

B) beat big names

and/or

C) have an exciting, crowd pleasing style

and/or

D) have a personality that either makes a lot of ppl love you, or make a lot of ppl hate you.


i think you need 2 of those things tho.


paul williams has an exciting fighting style, but what he's missing is the "home" city, the big names, and he's not very charismatic either.

i agree A and b is whats holding him him back. he has the rest though.

This is like the dumbest and most hypocritical post I think I've come across in my history on this web site. So win or lose, Cotto has gotten punished and he still has a fan base. The guy in your avatar got nearly KOd by the scrub who Gamboa blew out the water and won't fight a dangerous fighter and he still has a fan base. Williams fought Margarito before Cotto did, and having Wright and Martinez on your resume is nothing to sneeze at. If you're not gonna give Williams any credit for his win over Wright, then you need to not give Cotto any credit for his win over Mosley. It's only fair. And Williams despite his flaws is willing to fight anybody despite Goosen's stubborness with the Pavlik situation. Anybody who hates on him for no reason is not a boxing fan.

well i guess i made history the lol. cotto was established as a star before the beatings and why? he's from a place that has a fan base. same goes for juanma but hbo televised his next fight against a champion and he looked impressive so the beating he took from mtagwa will be forgotten as long as he keeps on wining. paul has a bigger hill to climb cuz he doesnt have a fanbase and there aint any stars to shine against outside of mosley, floyd, cotto, or pac. pavlike has lost his starpower imo so who else is out there? ill give paul credit though he will fight anybody anytime.

[ny123]

I honestly don't think beating Pavlik will make Williams a star because hardly anyone outside of Youngstown know who Pavlik is. He just needs to keep doing what he's doing and settle for what is out there.

what a ****** post no one outside of youngstown knows who pavlik is you cant be serious