Comments Thread For: Mayweather vs. Mosley is an All-American Bout

[mrjoeblive]

If you really think Bradley was more of a threat than Cotto you need to be locked up in a secure ward. And Campbell was never the top contender in the same division that Pac was fighting in, while Pac was fighting in that division. No one ever called for a Pac-Campbell fight. You're just trying to rewrite history.

no one called for lots of fights however, you may already be locked up due to the high praise and single minded, its not shanes fault view you carry. i do think tim bradley would be a far greater threat than cotto due to his lateral movement and boxing ability.marquez was a far greater threat than cotto due to his boxing acumen. you may not know but campbell fought at 135 the same time as pac. cassamayor also fought at 135 why did pac not fight him? as for rewriting history, it would be nice to comment on what would have been great fights if pac didnt avoid these men

[mrjoeblive]

Um... what site were you on that honestly gave floyd 3-1 over manny? That was never true check your sources and get back to me it was never that lopsided.

im sorry my friend but it was. this is somthing that is easy to prove. i have a lot of philipino friends and had a lot of fun pointing that out to them. lots of people were dumfounded that floyd was the fav. but remember betting sites want to make money not lose money so its strickly business with them. i will make some calls then get back to you my friend

[mrjoeblive]

No they didn't. You must have been living on Mars at the time if you believe that. It's true that they didn't expect it to be as one-sided as it was, but most people thought it would be an easy night for Floyd.

Marquez had looked physically out of his depth even at Lightweight. He'd managed to beat two fighters because of his skills but he was physically dominated even at 135, and was clearly a lot slower at 135 than he had been at 130. It was obvious that he didn't belong in a Welterweight fight.

well call me a martian buddy, how arrogant are you to tell me what i saw on tv. i also read where floyd had to fight hatton for his "legacy" and how pundits felt he was avoiding hatton. then when he beat the crap out of hatton it was he should have never fought hatton. its alwas the same with pbf haters. and who dogged jmm at 135? the baby bull was taking it to him but in true jmm fashion he adjusted and won the fight. another guy pac avoided. he fought the wrong diaz. ha should have fought juan. while i agree he should not fight at welter the only fighter to dominate jmm was floyd

[mrjoeblive]

Your defence must be decent if you can go 9 rounds with Marg without taking any clean punches. No one else has gone 9 rounds with Marg without taking any clean punches.

no i know you must be on something. its ok to root for your guy but PLEASE dont try to make up history as you go along. mosley has never been accused of having decent defense. in fact mosley's defense is his potent offense. but offense wont stop you from getting hit. if shane had decent defense he would have beat cotto. as i said i thought shane would be the one to expose cotto. but close or not cotto got the "w" and marg was not the same. he knew he was in a lot of trouble about those loaded gloves. no excuse or love for those who cheat in this game of boxing. wait ! that would include shane mosley aka the clear and the cream mr epo. but you are probably say delahoya made him take the peds too. oops i beat you to it

[Dave Rado]

No one called for a Pac-David Diaz fight. Instead of this fight at Lighweight, fight fans would have preferred Pac-Campbell or Pac-Casamayor.

The reason he fought David Diaz was that it was a testing-the-waters fight, as it was his first fight in a new division - like Mayweather's fight against Sharmba Mitchell or Haye's fight against Barrett. At that time he was planning to go on to clean out the division, just as he'd previously cleaned out the Super Featherweight division - but then Oscar De La Hoya called, and if you think that fighting De La Hoya rather than Campbell was a duck then you're being ridiculous.

[Dave Rado]

its ok to root for your guy

I don't have a guy. I am a boxing fan, not a fan of any individual fighter. I don't care who wins as long as it's a good fight. And I believe in objective facts rather than spinning. Name a single fighter who took fewer punches against Margarito than Mosley did. You can't.

mosley has never been accused of having decent defense. in fact mosley's defense is his potent offense. but offense wont stop you from getting hit.

As I said he barely got hit against Margarito. And most commentators put it down more to his gameplan (especially his use of appropriate clinching, and his body attack) than to Marg being off his game.

[jtiger78]

[HandSpeed303]

I made sure I put in 154 to make sure my post had the truth and not spin it around like i've seen a lot of people do in posts. Margarito moved up because he had a NC with Santos previously and Santos couldnt make 147 anymore. I did say Margarito would be the more competitive fight. The loss is still relevant in decreasing his value a bit. So I do agree that he was turned down because of the high risk low reward. Mayweather got the De La Hoya fight taking the low risk high reward route in Baldimir and gaining the linear championship. I didn't put in Clotty because it was after like you stated. Your reply had a lot of good info in it. I got a question for you. How do you think a fight between Martinez and Margarito goes today?

I think a Margo/Martinez fight would look alot like the first fight they had (youtube). Except this time, Martinez gets the win, and some payback. I still think Margo is a tuff fight for anyone (without the correct game plan, or skill set), but as we have now seen ( like I told folks before the Cintron fight, all you have to do is watch tape) Martinez has major skills. I feel he would beat Paul Williams at 154...Hell, I felt like he beat him at 160.

Martinez beats Margo. I would be sort of shocked if he didn't.

[Mr Reality]

The reason he fought David Diaz was that it was a testing-the-waters fight, as it was his first fight in a new division - like Mayweather's fight against Sharmba Mitchell or Haye's fight against Barrett. At that time he was planning to go on to clean out the division, just as he'd previously cleaned out the Super Featherweight division - but then Oscar De La Hoya called, and if you think that fighting De La Hoya rather than Campbell was a duck then you're being ridiculous.

That might be true, however Team Pacquiao & Pac seem to test the waters quite a bit since his last difficult fight. All his fights since the Super Featherweight title fight leave something to be desired with respect to either caliber of opponent (Diaz), catchweight issues (Cotto), age and weight class in which he a fought fighter (DLH) or trajectory of fighter (Hatton). I do admit that I am pleased with the fact that Pacquioa will be fighting at the WW limits with Clottley instead of a catchweight. Hopefully this is a trend and not a deviation from his team.

Team Pacquioa & Top Rank need to consider the following factors when picking the next fighter Pacquiao faces if they expect true boxing fans & analysts to consider Pac an ATG:
1) Choose A Top rated boxer in his respective weight class
2) Choose a Boxer that is in an upward trajectory as a fighter, not fighters that have been KO'd in a devasting manner which places doubt if the fighter is finished or shell of his former self.
3) Forget about catchweights or rehydrating restrictions when fighting in title fights.
4) Stop picking the same style of fighters and demonstrate that he can win against any style.

It seems to me that Team Pacquioa & Arum have been very good with respect to picking winnabale fights for Pacquiao, however at the same time they have created a cloud of doubt if he is really that good due the fact he has only faced straightahead left handed dominant fighters with other question marks surronding each fight or fighter.

[Dave Rado]

That might be true, however Team Pacquiao & Pac seem to test the waters quite a bit since his last difficult fight. All his fights since the Super Featherweight title fight leave something to be desired with respect to either caliber of opponent (Diaz), catchweight issues (Cotto), age and weight class in which he a fought fighter (DLH) or trajectory of fighter (Hatton). I do admit that I am pleased with the fact that Pacquioa will be fighting at the WW limits with Clottley instead of a catchweight. Hopefully this is a trend and not a deviation from his team.

Team Pacquioa & Top Rank need to consider the following factors when picking the next fighter Pacquiao faces if they expect true boxing fans & analysts to consider Pac an ATG:
1) Choose A Top rated boxer in his respective weight class
2) Choose a Boxer that is in an upward trajectory as a fighter, not fighters that have been KO'd in a devasting manner which places doubt if the fighter is finished or shell of his former self.
3) Forget about catchweights or rehydrating restrictions when fighting in title fights.
4) Stop picking the same style of fighters and demonstrate that he can win against any style.

It seems to me that Team Pacquioa & Arum have been very good with respect to picking winnabale fights for Pacquiao, however at the same time they have created a cloud of doubt if he is really that good due the fact he has only faced straightahead left handed dominant fighters with other question marks surronding each fight or fighter.

You make some fair points but over-state them. Pac will be considered an ATG by most boxing historians even if he retires now.