Lets's Have A Real Talk About Money, PPV Sales, and Purse Split

[horge]

Anyone got the Sparknotes to this ****?

In one sentence?
Okay...

"Mosley should take an assraping wrt purse cut, because Floyd is the man".

If that's too short, you can throw in a
"Floyd Mayweather is greater than the sport of boxing",

and an

"All roads lead to Floyd Mayweather"


h.

[Carpe Diem]

[miron_lang]

In one sentence?
Okay...

"Mosley should take an assraping wrt purse cut, because Floyd is the man".

If that's too short, you can throw in a
"Floyd Mayweather is greater than the sport of boxing",

and an

"All roads lead to Floyd Mayweather"


h.

HAHAHAHAHAHA Green for Horge

[DLT]

Ive read it

Its not as long as it looks Good job DLT

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was that a joke from what I previously said or did you really read it

[DLT]

I read it and you made a lot of good points. The thing is though, the casual fan doesn't care about the business aspect of boxing. We want to see fights get made and the best take on eachother. Sadly, money will always rule at the end of the day.

Yeah youre right and thats the messed up part about it but this is really these guys job and they arent all as finically stable as they seem. ****, look at Floyd's tax problems and Shane's divorce. More than anything now they care about the business part because they really need that money

[DC Fight Fan]

I still think this is the hold up about the Mayweather-Mosley fight. Weve all talked about Pac-Floyd in regards to PPV so we dont need to go there again. However, lets talk about some other cases. We as fans just look at fights and say that this guy deserves this or whatever but I dont think we ever truly think about it. Recently it was Pac-Clottey where it seems like a 90/10 split or more. Everyone then replies that this is a joke and or Clottey is getting ****d and so on. I was also one of those. Then I really thought about it more. When you really think about it, that is a truly fair split. Pac is ranked #1 in the world and is a mega star who has been running through everyone. Meanwhile no one in the mainstream knows who Clottey is, he just lost to a guy that Pac slaughtered, he's not on any P4P list and he doesnt make any kind of big money. Im not 100% sure but I think the Cotto fight was on regular HBO while Pac just got 1.25 buys for a Cotto fight. Just look at what happened so far with the presser, fighting in Dallas stadium, and so on. Its clear that Pac is worth 9x more than Clottey if not more. Pac's name rings all the time on ESPN while none of those cats know who Clottey is.

We can even take this back to the Oscar days. What do you think he was giving cats? It was talked about non stop on here how he was raping guys and the truth is he really wasnt. In most of those cases he was the far bigger star and money maker. Thats why everyone wanted to fight him and still took a ****ty percent because they knew that crap percent was still more than they would make against anyone else and if they beat him then they are a star who can demand more. Some people did turn Oscar down, e****ally the second time around after they felt they won and deserved more so that is well in your right but neither side owes the other side anything. In most cases Oscar was still the star. The only 2 who have turned him down and been right is Tito & Floyd. Tito had a big name in his own right so he wasnt going to let Oscar pimp him and Floyd had that ego that he is a star now. Oscar wouldnt buy it but Floyd went out and proved it by having big sales with Hatton so he made the right decision. Mosley turned Oscar down for a 3rd fight and hasnt made **** since.

Thats why Clottey ran to this fight. He's still never made what he's going to make in this fight, he's never been on PPV, he's lost both his big fights, and he knows Pac is the man. Now lets go to Floyd-Mosley. I heard some say that Floyd should only get 55 and others say he should only get 60 but is that a real figure or does that just look right when you dont really think about it? Mosley is probably thinking the same thing but Floyd is like, NO! Mosley has fought Oscar not once but wice and still doesnt have any kind of big mainstream name. He's the #1 rated WW but Pac just killed the man that beat him and Floyd himself was #1 when he retired. Floyd is a star who has put up huge PPV numbers and is the P4P #1 or 1b fighter in the sport. I bet Floyd is telling Shane to flash back to January 23rd 2009. That was the day before the Margarito fight. I bet Floyd's team is saying that at that exact time Floyd was seen as the #1 fighter in the game and the biggest money man in the game while Mosley was seen by many as a guy who looks near done and just an opponent for Margarito on regular HBO where he probably only took 40% in that fight if that.

Now he beats Margarito after it was found that he was using plaster and has since been banned. He wins that one fight against a guy who is clearly not nearly as good without his plaster and he can get that same percentage in a fight with Floyd who is a million times bigger star than Margarito? Margarito was overrated and he didnt beat the Margarito that was killing cats. He beat the guy without the weapon. After that Floyd comes back and does a mil with JMM and Shane thinks he can get 40%? Wasnt it Shane who was just saying that he would take 30% against Pac and fight him at 140 looking all desperate and now he thinks he's a big shot and the fans are riding with that? He thinks it will look bad on Floyd if the fight doesnt happened so thats his leverage. Meanwhile Floyd is saying that they hate him anyways so he dont care. Floyd will tell him why would I fight you and give you 40% when I can go right now and fight a Cintron or Bradley and give them 10 or 20% and make close to the same thing I would fighting you for an easier fight? Fans hate hearing stuff like that but its reality. This is a business. Why would Floyd do that unless Shane is going to make it worth his wild like Clottey did?

Floyd will tell him that "you can wait and fight Pac if you want but you know Pac is going to want 70 and maybe even more after the Clottey fight as he see's you as desperate with nowhere to go. Meanwhile if you do fight Pac then I promise you that I will never ever even consider fighting you again. If you fight me 1st and win then you know Pac will fight you but if you fight Pac 1st then I will never ever fight you so which option is better? The 2 or the 1, e****ally when Pac will give you even less money then Im giving you or the same? You can go fight Williams if you want who will also want more than you".

Again, no one likes to hear it but thats business and its actually true stuff. People cant grasp the concept that Pac & Floyd are on the Oscar level now and thats why guys will jump at 90/10 to fight them. Its actually even better than Oscar because Oscar at one point fell off as a fighter while these guys are still by far and away the best in the game and offering big money and nearly every opponent will be bigger than them. You think Clottey is not thinking that its only 10% but still way more than Ive ever made with way more fame and this guy is little so I should win and then I can be a big money star. You think Cintron doesnt feel the same about Floyd? or Bradley? You fans have to realize that and more importantly, so does Mosley. I dont think he does yet but he better soon enough because like it or not, Floyd is the man and the one leverage Mosley does have about the media & fans ripping Floyd if it falls through doesnt work because Floyd dont care about that ****

This is the best post I have read all day. Great job!

[arraamis]

i really don't either...putting this type of stuff under a microscope will only raise your blood pressure in the end...unless boxing tuns into a tourney type thing...the business side will always be a factor...and whether we like this or that...it's for the people trying to get paid to decide...****ed up world we live in...but there is no economic model for greed...

I read it and you made a lot of good points. The thing is though, the casual fan doesn't care about the business aspect of boxing. We want to see fights get made and the best take on eachother. Sadly, money will always rule at the end of the day.

These type of posts are needed to help some people understand just how much Boxing is a BUSINESS. Its great to watch two guys get it on in the ring - but without MONEY being involved, nobodies getting in there to fight risking physical damage for free. Training, preparation and effort is a mean to an end {To make a living in the SPORT OF BOXING}

It can be honestly stated that Boxing is a sport at its base {True Statement} BUT when purse's, managers, promoters, and sites are involved and Boxing generates a livelihood for those involved - it is in essence the BUSINESS aspects of boxing that come into play. No one with an ounce of sense can deny that Arum, GBP or anyone would be involved in an enterprise that does not produce revenue. And BUSINESS management is a means to manage that which is generating that revenue .... i.e. BOXING.

So, the OP is on point to post a comprehensive article on the BUSINESS OF BOXING .... For the knuckle-dragging few who do not have a clue.

Great post OP\TS.

[warp1432]

Thing is, at 60% Mayweather is still making more then he would against ANYONE else out there besides Mosley. Mayweather at 60% with total PPV buys would be making more then Pacquiao would be against his fight with Clottey.

If you believe Marley's article, which I don't at all, Mayweather would be making a lot more then 10 million then what that article says.

[DLT]

Thing is, at 60% Mayweather is still making more then he would against ANYONE else out there besides Mosley. Mayweather at 60% with total PPV buys would be making more then Pacquiao would be against his fight with Clottey.

If you believe Marley's article, which I don't at all, Mayweather would be making a lot more then 10 million then what that article says.

Yeah, I dont beleive Marley's crap numbers either but I dont think Floyd will make more than Pac with 60 if Pac is getting 90. Also, its not just about what Floyd can make against anyone else. Its also about your worth and he's worth more than that against Mosley.

[warp1432]

You're also degrading the value of Shane Mosley. Yes he's been on HBO a lot instead of PPV, but when he has been on PPV he's done decent numbers. He did 400-600k for his fights with Vargas, I don't remember his exact numbers. he also did 1.2 with DLH in the rematch.

He's also revaulved his career. He has earned this fight against Floyd. Margarito was the best Welter out there and he dominated. Plaster or not, Mosley had a great gameplan and looked great. I'd pick him to beat Cotto in a rematch.