Lets's Have A Real Talk About Money, PPV Sales, and Purse Split

[DLT]

You're also degrading the value of Shane Mosley. Yes he's been on HBO a lot instead of PPV, but when he has been on PPV he's done decent numbers. He did 400-600k for his fights with Vargas, I don't remember his exact numbers. he also did 1.2 with DLH in the rematch.

He's also revaulved his career. He has earned this fight against Floyd. Margarito was the best Welter out there and he dominated. Plaster or not, Mosley had a great gameplan and looked great. I'd pick him to beat Cotto in a rematch.

Look, Im a Mosley fan and he is a certified beast. I think he wouldve beat Cotto the 1st time if he had Richardson but whatever. The numbers you put up are good but he wasnt the A side. Thats why even after Vargas he still was an opponent against a nobody like Margarito(when it comes to PPV's) and it was on regular HBO. You cant get around those facts. Vargas was the man on those PPV's and they sold it like an LA fight which gave it an extra boost. Let Floyd fight Cintron right now and let Mosley fight Cintron right now and watch what the difference will be. Its night & day. You cant overlook that aspect. Shane cant go crazy. Now if he beats Floyd then he can do that after the fact. Thats why guys take less money. Floyd would want 60/40 on Shane if they were in this same exact position and this was the Floyd pre Oscar. He would want 60/40 then and everyone would pretty much say thats legit, right? Now he can Shane get 60/40 against this version of Floyd? This Floyd who was the A side of major PPV's against Hatton who no one in the US knew and JMM who everyone said was a joke fight that no one should buy?

[warp1432]

Yeah, I dont beleive Marley's crap numbers either but I dont think Floyd will make more than Pac with 60 if Pac is getting 90. Also, its not just about what Floyd can make against anyone else. Its also about your worth and he's worth more than that against Mosley.

Then it becomes just about pride and it is ****** to throw away 30 million dollars when it just comes to pride. It's not just about money and Floyd Mayweather has to fight Shane Mosley next. There is just no excuse not to.

Whether Pacquiao is getting 90 is irrelevant because Mayweather is making a gigantic payday. He is fighting the better opponent and making more, if not just as much, as Pacquiao. People would give him more props for fighting Mosley then they'd give Pacquiao for fighting Clottey.

Mayweather seems like a pretty insecure person and when it comes to PR, fighting Mosley would help his image.

[DLT]

Then it becomes just about pride and it is ****** to throw away 30 million dollars when it just comes to pride. It's not just about money and Floyd Mayweather has to fight Shane Mosley next. There is just no excuse not to.

Whether Pacquiao is getting 90 is irrelevant because Mayweather is making a gigantic payday. He is fighting the better opponent and making more, if not just as much, as Pacquiao. People would give him more props for fighting Mosley then they'd give Pacquiao for fighting Clottey.

Mayweather seems like a pretty insecure person and when it comes to PR, fighting Mosley would help his image.

Again, its not about pride. Its about getting what you are worth. It dont have anything to do with Pac. Floyd is worth more than that against Shane, bottom line. If Shane fights someone right now not named Floyd or Pac then he gets peanuts wether you want to admit that or not. Meanwhile Floyd will do around a mil on PPV against nearly anyone. ****, even Williams will want more than 50 against Shane and he would take less than 40 against Floyd so how are the numbers adding up? Its what his worth is. People want that in every day life. You want Shane to be worth more but he's not

[DLT]

At the end of the day though, I think GBP will find a way to make Shane give in and Floyd give in "some" and that will be it. Dont forget, this isnt Floyd fighting Berto. Floyd likes Berto and I think he would be willing to cave some but he hates Shane now and Shane talks mad **** so why is Floyd going to beak his neck to help him and give him more money? After all the shti Shane was talking, Floyd is more likely to go the other way and try to squeeze his ass dry

[Bushbaby]

I didn't read it,but to shorten any talk of purse & ppv #s up,most fight fans,hardcore or otherwise doesn't give a **** about what floyd makes,or Pacman or anyone else for that matter!!147,loaded div,lots of elite fighters there,fight them or retire!!

[warp1432]

Look, Im a Mosley fan and he is a certified beast. I think he wouldve beat Cotto the 1st time if he had Richardson but whatever. The numbers you put up are good but he wasnt the A side. Thats why even after Vargas he still was an opponent against a nobody like Margarito(when it comes to PPV's) and it was on regular HBO. You cant get around those facts. Vargas was the man on those PPV's and they sold it like an LA fight which gave it an extra boost. Let Floyd fight Cintron right now and let Mosley fight Cintron right now and watch what the difference will be. Its night & day. You cant overlook that aspect. Shane cant go crazy. Now if he beats Floyd then he can do that after the fact. Thats why guys take less money. Floyd would want 60/40 on Shane if they were in this same exact position and this was the Floyd pre Oscar. He would want 60/40 then and everyone would pretty much say thats legit, right? Now he can Shane get 60/40 against this version of Floyd? This Floyd who was the A side of major PPV's against Hatton who no one in the US knew and JMM who everyone said was a joke fight that no one should buy?

And people know Shane mosley. Yeah Floyd is the bigger draw, but at the end of the day Shane Mosley will help bring bigger numbers to the table then anyone Floyd will fight. Sure Floyd would outdraw Mosley against anyone else if Mosley was fighting that same exact guy, but Mosley brings his fair share of the table to earn that 40 percent.

I'm not saying Mosley deserves 50 because he doesn't at all, but Mosley deserves the 40. If the spilt turns out to be 65-35, whatever that's fine. Just get the ****ing fight done and if Floyd is really stubborn on demanding 35 percent, then he is ****** for blowing this fight away.

[Williamb45]

Anyone got the Sparknotes to this ****?

DLT read the rumors that may/shane fight is off and he is already making excuses as to why floyd is not at fault and shane priced himself out.

If this fight doesn't get made, Floyd is a b.itch and thats the end of it.

[warp1432]

Again, its not about pride. Its about getting what you are worth. It dont have anything to do with Pac. Floyd is worth more than that against Shane, bottom line. If Shane fights someone right now not named Floyd or Pac then he gets peanuts wether you want to admit that or not. Meanwhile Floyd will do around a mil on PPV against nearly anyone. ****, even Williams will want more than 50 against Shane and he would take less than 40 against Floyd so how are the numbers adding up? Its what his worth is. People want that in every day life. You want Shane to be worth more but he's not

Then why in your first post do you go on and on about how Pacquiao is getting 90%? If it has nothing to do with Pacquiao is making then why bring it up?

Getting what you think you're worth has to do a lot with pride. I brought up in my other post about why Mosley should get 40, so I'm not going to bring that up again. Mayweather is without a doubt the bigger draw, but Mosley deserves his cut too.

Williams would never get 50 against Mosley by the way.

[DLT]

Then why in your first post do you go on and on about how Pacquiao is getting 90%? If it has nothing to do with Pacquiao is making then why bring it up?

Getting what you think you're worth has to do a lot with pride. I brought up in my other post about why Mosley should get 40, so I'm not going to bring that up again. Mayweather is without a doubt the bigger draw, but Mosley deserves his cut too.

Williams would never get 50 against Mosley by the way.

It wasnt as much about Pac as it was Clottey. Clottey realized who Pac was and what both guys worth was. Shane has to do the same. Im not telling him to take 10 but he's not worth 40 at all. I also dont agree with you that 60 against Mosley is so much more than 90 against Cintron or Bradley. Also, you say that Shane has this & that going for him but its still not more than Floyd. Like Oscar was the man but in terms of fighting he had fell off so when he was fighting Floyd & Pac you could say that Oscar is the money man but Floyd & Pac deserve such & such because they are rated so high as fighters. You cant even say that in this case. Floyd is the money man and is still rated higher than Mosley as a fighter. You could say Shane is the #1 WW but he's only that because Floyd retired and many will start to argue that Pas is the #1 WW. Floyd is rated higher P4P and is unbeaten.

I know you admitted that Floyd would do better as a draw but my point is how much better? If he does 3 times better as the A side on a PPV then shouldnt he get 3 times the money which is 75? Again, thats not even including the boxing stuff where Floyd is also rated higher? Im not saying he should get 75 but you can certainly argue that and that is why Clottey took somewhere around 10

[tredh]

Good read and thread. Most people on here will avoid this thread cause its not flaming someone. But people can act like they don't care how much sports figures make but that is complete bull****. Cause if that were true then why everytime a sports star possibly does something that gets him in trouble the first thing out of peoples mouths is "overpaid this or that". If they didn't care how much a person made then nothing involving overpaid would ever come from they're mouths.