The Benefits of Steroids May Never Go Away -- Even When Athletes Quit Taking Them

[Maidana vs Rios]

I applaud you for bringing an interesting point of view to an already tired subject.

From the article:

A scientific consensus on this issue may be a long way off. The Swedish study was too small to be definitive, and it's difficult (for obvious reasons) to do a large follow-up study on the effects of steroids on competitive athletes. Some studies done in the past decade have shown that while the muscles of mice grow when they are given steroids, they also shrink when the drugs are taken away. Gary Wadler, a New York University physician who consults with WADA on steroid issues, says he isn't convinced that the conclusions are accurate. "The effects of steroids are time-limited," he says.

Anabolic Steroids Result in Permanent Muscle Gains

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/2008/04/04/anabolic-steroids-result-in-permanent-muscle-gains/

[-Reflexes-]

Anabolic Steroids Result in Permanent Muscle Gains
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/20...-muscle-gains/

What point are you trying to make??

To Fight Floyd Pac needed to take OST's....he declined. Shane didnt simple.

[Maidana vs Rios]

What point are you trying to make??

To Fight Floyd Pac needed to take OST's....he declined. Shane didnt simple.

Put on your thinking cap for a minute, will ya?

Why did Floyd demand OSTs from Pac?

[Maidana vs Rios]

I applaud you for bringing an interesting point of view to an already tired subject.

From the article:

A scientific consensus on this issue may be a long way off. The Swedish study was too small to be definitive, and it's difficult (for obvious reasons) to do a large follow-up study on the effects of steroids on competitive athletes. Some studies done in the past decade have shown that while the muscles of mice grow when they are given steroids, they also shrink when the drugs are taken away. Gary Wadler, a New York University physician who consults with WADA on steroid issues, says he isn't convinced that the conclusions are accurate. "The effects of steroids are time-limited," he says.

Another point:

Even given the conditions and concerns you posted from the article....which of these two assertions has more evidence to back it:

1) Assertion 1: Shane is enhanced and still benefits from past steroid use:
Shane has admitted to taking steroids in the past and there is some early scientific data that says he may still be benefiting from them, even if he's clean now.

or

2) Assertion 2: Pacquiao is enhanced:
Pac has never tested positive for steroids, never been linked to steroids, hasn't gone up in weight as much as Mayweather.


I'd say (1) definitely has more evidence behind it. Even if Shane is clean NOW, why would Floyd fight him if there is more evidence that Shane may still be benefiting from past steroid use than there is evidence that Pac has ever used steroids at all?

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

Anabolic Steroids Result in Permanent Muscle Gains
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/20...-muscle-gains/

Isn't this the same research you pointed out earlier?

I'm not saying it's not possible to gain some benefits from the after effects of doping, but you have to do a hell of a lot more research. What drugs did these athletes take? How long? How long have they been off the juice? Were the volunteers even tested for the study, for all we know some could have still been on the juice? Are these gains exclusive to power lifters? How and would an endurance/strength athlete benefit?

Like I said earlier. I enjoy your take on the subject, and it got me thinking, I'm just not convinced there's enough evidence to prove Mosley is benefiting from past usage.

[Maidana vs Rios]

Isn't this the same research you pointed out earlier?

I'm not saying it's not possible to gain some benefits from the after effects of doping, but you have to do a hell of a lot more research. What drugs did these athletes take? How long? How long have they been off the juice? Were the volunteers even tested for the study, for all we know some could have still been on the juice? Are these gains exclusive to power lifters? How and would an endurance/strength athlete benefit?

Like I said earlier. I enjoy your take on the subject, and it got me thinking, I'm just not convinced there's enough evidence to prove Mosley is benefiting from past usage.

Yes, it's based on the same paper by Ericcson. Here's another one based on the same paper:

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In simple terms, using anabolic steroids changes muscle anatomy to the extent that it primes the muscle to make gains even long after athletes have stopped using the drugs. Relating that information back to the original question of whether steroid gains are retained, the answer would be yes, but with a caveat. A major reason that steroid-induced gains appear to evaporate when the drugs are stopped is that many athletes either lay off all training after a contest or severely cut back on intensity. Inactivity amplifies cortisol’s effect and can cause muscle loss. On the other hand, if athletes continus to train with high intensity, there’s no reason their muscle gains would disappear.

http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/site/?p=2655

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[Gonzalez_Boxing]

Another point:

Even given the conditions and concerns you posted from the article....which of these two assertions has more evidence to back it:

1) Assertion 1: Shane is enhanced and still benefits from past steroid use:
Shane has admitted to taking steroids in the past and there is some early scientific data that says he may still be benefiting from them, even if he's clean now.

or

2) Assertion 2: Pacquiao is enhanced:
Pac has never tested positive for steroids, never been linked to steroids, hasn't gone up in weight as much as Mayweather.


I'd say (1) definitely has more evidence behind it. Even if Shane is clean NOW, why would Floyd fight him if there is more evidence that Shane may still be benefiting from past steroid use than there is evidence that Pac has ever used steroids at all?

Without a doubt I would say (1).

You also have to take into account that long term benefits of steroids wasn't on camp Mayweather's mind, because if it was they wouldn't fight Pac or Mosley. Right?

[Buckfever]

There's truth to that, there is a residual effect, but when guys are on the juice, it's fricken crazy the enhancement in power.

[Maidana vs Rios]

Without a doubt I would say (1).

You also have to take into account that long term benefits of steroids wasn't on camp Mayweather's on their mind, because if it was they wouldn't fight Pac or Mosley. Right?

True. That's why I'm saying that fight fans need to hope and pray that Schaefer doesn't continue to get "smart" on steroids like he did in between the Zab-Shane negotiations and the Pac-Floyd negotiations. (lol like Schaefer would ever bring up this info to potentially kill a fight between two of his own fighters)

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

Yes, it's based on the same paper by Ericcson. Here's another one based on the same paper:

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In simple terms, using anabolic steroids changes muscle anatomy to the extent that it primes the muscle to make gains even long after athletes have stopped using the drugs. Relating that information back to the original question of whether steroid gains are retained, the answer would be yes, but with a caveat. A major reason that steroid-induced gains appear to evaporate when the drugs are stopped is that many athletes either lay off all training after a contest or severely cut back on intensity. Inactivity amplifies cortisol’s effect and can cause muscle loss. On the other hand, if athletes continus to train with high intensity, there’s no reason their muscle gains would disappear.

http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/site/?p=2655

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Thanks for the article link. Gonna bookmark it and read it over in the morning with a large cup of coffee.