Why demand PED testing for the biggest fight in history?

[thatnickuh]

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[Maidana vs Rios]

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[General Zod]

I guess you didn't see this video then.

So that's now four excuses for why he lost to Morales, but this one is the one you believe most because?
Did Pacquiao look weak in the first Morales fight to you? Not to me especially in the 12th round. Pacquiao was also cut in the second Marquez fight, did he not win that fight, did he not win a lot of the final rounds as well round 10 comes to mind.

Link? Everything I'm reading says he agreed to random testing with a 24-day cutoff date.

You show me one link where he says he agreed to random testing throughout his training camp.

You do know that tests, even urine tests, are constantly updated, don't you? Mosley wouldn't be able to get away with the cream and clear today, using urine testing alone.

Dr Margaret Goodman of the NSAC is on record as saying that its best to check the blood as well

Has any boxer agreed to the amount of testing Pac agreed to?

Arthur Abraham and his opponents

- Blood test at kickoff presscon (2 months before the fight?),
- Random blood testing for first month of camp (assuming a 2 month camp)
- Blood test after the fight
- Unlimited urine testing
Pac went above and beyond what was required.

Whats the point of a blood test before training and after a fight? Both of those dates are worthless. One Random test with a 30 day cut of point? Whats the point of that?

[General Zod]

Is that not random?

One random test with a cutoff point and two on fixed dates. Does that sound like random testing 3-5 times during his training camp to you?

True about Arum. But everything I've read says 24 days is a cutoff date, which means there's a window for random testing. Where does it say that it's not a cutoff date?

For one test

And as bad as Arum is, don't tell me Schaefer is a saint. They're promoters. In other words professional liars.

Never said Schaefer was a saint, but so far its Arum that's done all the lying about this fight.

[badboypeenoy]

Going back to the question of the thread:

"Why demand PED testing for the biggest fight in history?"

This isn't about Mayweather wanting all those good things for boxing... he never cared for the sport. He left boxing when it was at its lowest, saying it is dead without him. He always says he doesn't get that much respect from the sport, you think he wants this tests "for the good of the sport?" Do you actually think he want this "tests" because this is a mega-fight and an historic fight and that both parties should be clean? Mayweather wants a level playing field? Come on. Fairness is not in Mayweather's vocabulary, just ask Marquez.

Either Mayweather wants added edge over Pacquiao or he doesn't want to fight him at all. While I believe stricter testing is necessary for boxing as a whole, it should not be the reason this specific fight should not to happen. Floyd has fought all of his fights without those tests before, he should have agreed to what is being offered, as it is over and above what is required already. He did say that he can beat Pacquaio under "any circumstances."

With this negotiations getting media attention, the boxing commissions are now under the microscope and might rethink their testing strategies. If the kits are commercially available and will not be that expensive, I'm sure they'd be more than happy to adopt such testing, as they are mandated to do so to protect the fighters anyway.

[baCCaT]

easy fight easy work...

stop contradicting mayweather junior.

[Maidana vs Rios]

So that's now four excuses for why he lost to Morales, but this one is the one you believe most because?
Did Pacquiao look weak in the first Morales fight to you? Not to me especially in the 12th round. Pacquiao was also cut in the second Marquez fight, did he not win that fight, did he not win a lot of the final rounds as well round 10 comes to mind.

I neither believe his excuse nor deny it. What matters is that he believes that the blood draw so close to fight time weakened him. He's the one getting into the ring risking his health, not me.

You show me one link where he says he agreed to random testing throughout his training camp.

Come on, this is well documented: random test until 30 days (or 24 days, whatever) before the fight. Using math, if training camp is 56 days (8 weeks), then that leaves a window of 26 days (or 32 days if using the 24 day cutoff) for random testing.

Dr Margaret Goodman of the NSAC is on record as saying that its best to check the blood as well

Team Pacquiao agreed to one blood draw at the presscon, one on or before the 24-day cutoff, and one after the fight. Name another fight where this much testing was done.

Arthur Abraham and his opponents

I saw that link you posted, but it had no specifics. Are you saying Abraham had fights in the past that required both fighters to have multiple blood tests? If you say so, I believe you, but can you give a link just to verify for which specific fights this was done?

Or are you saying the upcoming Abraham-Dirrell fight will require such testing? Again, if you say so, I believe you, but can you give a link just to verify? I googled but found nothing on Abraham-Dirrell blood testing. Maybe my google skillz suck.

Whats the point of a blood test before training and after a fight? Both of those dates are worthless. One Random test with a 30 day cut of point? Whats the point of that?

I've read that if someone is using PEDs, they would likely be on them early in camp, or even before camp, and taper off later in camp as the fight gets closer. So maybe it's more likely they'll be using early in camp.

Also, it would seem to me that if Pacquiao is taking anything, it would be EPO (the stuff Mosley admitted to using) right before the fight, as Pac has freakish stamina (see first Morales fight and first Barrera fight for good examples). But from what I understand, EPO is detected by urine tests

This report, requested by WADA’s stakeholders and commissioned by the Agency to evaluate the validity of urinary and blood tests for detecting the presence of recombinant EPO, concluded that urinary testing is the only scientifically validated method for direct detection of recombinant EPO

Pacquiao has agreed to unlimited urine tests.

But then again I'm no PED expert...


Again, Team Pacquiao agreed to one blood draw at the presscon, one blood draw on or before the 24-day cutoff, one blood draw after the fight, and unlimited urine testing. Again, I ask you ladies and gentlemen, can you name another fight where this much testing was done?

[General Zod]

I neither believe his excuse nor deny it. What matters is that he believes that the blood draw so close to fight time weakened him. He's the one getting into the ring risking his health, not me.

That's four excuses, but the latest one is more reliable OK then, lol. It took him a month after the fight to realize he was weakened by the blood test?
Mayweather is also going to be the one getting into the ring, shouldn't he have the right to request more stringent testing?

Come on, this is well documented: random test until 30 days (or 24 days, whatever) before the fight. Using math, if training camp is 56 days (8 weeks), then that leaves a window of 26 days (or 32 days if using the 24 day cutoff) for random testing.

As I have said before does one random test, with a cut off date equal random testing 3-5 times through out his training camp to you?

Team Pacquiao agreed to one blood draw at the presscon, one on or before the 24-day cutoff, and one after the fight. Name another fight where this much testing was done.

This argument holds no water, its a known fact that the only fighters that get caught are the ones who make mistakes i.e they don't discontinue their ped use in time like Vargas and Toney. Does it matter if this testing has never been done before? Did Holyfield, Mosely and Morrison ever get caught by the current drug system in place? There always has to be a first, like the first boxer who was tested for stimulants in 1981, or the first boxer who was tested for steroids in 2001.

When Roach initially agreed to the tests were you against it then? Can I assume that if I search your post history I will come across posts from you condemning it then?

I saw that link you posted, but it had no specifics. Are you saying Abraham had fights in the past that required both fighters to have multiple blood tests? If you say so, I believe you, but can you give a link just to verify for which specific fights this was done?

Or are you saying the upcoming Abraham-Dirrell fight will require such testing? Again, if you say so, I believe you, but can you give a link just to verify? I googled but found nothing on Abraham-Dirrell blood testing. Maybe my google skillz suck.

The green giant posted some quotes from the articles
Has there ever been a ww champion who had to put his belt on the line after agreeing to a catchweight before? Has there ever been a fight were the stipulation was included for a fine of 10m for every pound over the limit before? Can I assume that I will find posts from you condemning these as well?

I've read that if someone is using PEDs, they would likely be on them early in camp, or even before camp, and taper off later in camp as the fight gets closer. So maybe it's more likely they'll be using early in camp.

Dude, you are blatantly reaching with this. If you are going to use peds it will be during your camp either throughout your camp or during the second half and then you taper off about a week before the fight. I find it interesting here how you haven't posted a link.

Also, it would seem to me that if Pacquiao is taking anything, it would be EPO (the stuff Mosley admitted to using) right before the fight, as Pac has freakish stamina (see first Morales fight and first Barrera fight for good examples). But from what I understand, EPO is detected by urine tests

This report, requested by WADA’s stakeholders and commissioned by the Agency to evaluate the validity of urinary and blood tests for detecting the presence of recombinant EPO, concluded that urinary testing is the only scientifically validated method for direct detection of recombinant EPO

Pacquiao has agreed to unlimited urine tests.

But then again I'm no PED expert...

There are so many peds on the market its pointless just focusing on EPO.

Again, Team Pacquiao agreed to one blood draw at the presscon, one blood draw on or before the 24-day cutoff, one blood draw after the fight, and unlimited urine testing. Again, I ask you ladies and gentlemen, can you name another fight where this much testing was done?

What kind of argument is this, It has never been done before so no one is allowed to suggest it?

[Blue Heffner]

What's so negative about random blood testing?
Why are people so against this and not for it?

[Malius]

Would manny requesting Flyod not to use pain killers in his hands for training cos of the magnitude of the fight be acceptable? I mean he has been using it for years, just like Manny has been doing the normal drug testing. Since this is the fight of the century no one should have an advantage.

It sounds silly but Im using your agruement for the other side.