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  • Khmelnytsky
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    #31
    Originally posted by SkillspayBills
    Of course they wouldn't. That would be ALOT of money they would be missing out on and you know they don't want any of that.
    Agreed i don't see how this could benefit the orgs (them make more money having less belts) so i don't see that happeneing

    Originally posted by tourlou82
    It would be better in a way... but it would not be better in another way. Less champions = less champions to support, less big fights, no more unifications, etc. There is bad and good in the fact that we have so many champs...
    Disagree. One Champ is a good thing in regards to the public and i feel the opposite about big fights & unifications. All the rest of the quality fighters in the division (some who would currently hold a belt) would be forced to all fight eachother in order to get a shot at the champ. No more padded records, 1 lower top 10 victory then an automatic title shot.

    Originally posted by ~Alar~
    One of the reasons why people often respect champions of the past more then the champions of today is, that even 30 years ago there were only two recognizable belts (WBC and WBA). There was one real champ and no idiot could grab a silly strap and proclaim himself "one and only"... Since IBF, WBO and IBO appeared, people took serious lots of fake and silly championships ( like Ottke, Calzaghe and Michalczewski...). Don`t get me wrong, Dariusz was good, but the presence of WBO let the superfight between RJJ and Dariusz never happen...
    Dariusz was the lineal champ, all of Roy's glittering belts were aquired without fighting "the man" Michalczewski.

    You make it sound like DM was the paper champ, other way around. 1 title would have ensured that Roy had to go through DM and we would have got that fight.

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    • Lacrimosa
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      #32
      Originally posted by Khmelnytsky
      Dariusz was the lineal champ, all of Roy's glittering belts were aquired without fighting "the man" Michalczewski.

      You make it sound like DM was the paper champ, other way around. 1 title would have ensured that Roy had to go through DM and we would have got that fight.
      Oh, i have simply forgotten about the great WBO lightheavyweight lineage of the last 10-15 years...

      That`s the case when lineage means almost nothing... You say that DM was the man at that time, I think - RJJ. I don`t mean that DM was a "paper champ", but the truth is that if DM wasn`t a WBO champ, but a mandatory to one of RJJ`s belts the fight could possibly take place...

      I don`t blame DM for this fight not happening... RJJ and DM (and his promoter...) are both equally guilty...

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      • bojangles1987
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        #33
        They probably just sat around thinking what bullsh** belts they can create and how they can work together to screw fighters and fans. I'll believe they are trying to do something good when I see it.

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        • Jknows
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          #34
          Well I hope them getting together makes boxing better lets see what they do I wonder if theyll make changes on how they rank certain fighters and hope they get concerned with certain judges in fights and look into trying to make sure steriods doesnt come to our sport and just destroy it ..

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          • BritishBoxing92
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            #35
            Originally posted by BIGPOPPAPUMP
            For the first time in history, the three major sanctioning organizations, the WBC, WBA and IBF, held a meeting in Cancun, Mexico and reached an agreement to unite, cooperate and work together. In attendence included WBC president Jose Sulaiman, WBC executive secretary Mauricio Sulaiman, IBF president Marian Muhammad and WBA executive vice president Gilberto Jesus Mendoza. [Click Here To Read More]
            IMO the other 2 belts WBO, IBO are ridiculous...there should only be 3 Weight Belts in each division...all this super and Junior stuff is rubbish as well...Should Only Be WBA,WBC and IBF.

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            • Erudite
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              #36
              I suspect that several things will come of this:

              1. Creation of an "Undisputed Champion" title
              2. Retention of organizational (WBA, WBC, IBF) titles
              3. A 2 tier ("Undisputed" and 3 Organizational) ranking system
              4. Rather than combining sanctioning fees they will create a new one for "Undisputed Champion" categories - more fees = more $$$
              5. The freezing out of WBO, IBO and other sanctioning body fighters
              6. Uniformed drug testing across all states, countries and organizations
              7. Better competition , albeit exclusively between the 3 organization's fighters/title holders
              8. Better officiating and judging

              But then again, I'm an optimist.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Tsukiyomi
                I like the potential.

                Maybe they could make a rule where every few years there is a Highlander style "quickening" to get rid of those sub par champs.

                "There can be only one."
                I also like the potential of this new unifying, we shouldn't drop that bomb and call the "alliance" out just yet. I hope for better drug testing, I hope for better officiating and I'd hope for a major title and 3 lesser titles...

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Erudite
                  I suspect that several things will come of this:

                  1. Creation of an "Undisputed Champion" title
                  2. Retention of organizational (WBA, WBC, IBF) titles
                  3. A 2 tier ("Undisputed" and 3 Organizational) ranking system
                  4. Rather than combining sanctioning fees they will create a new one for "Undisputed Champion" categories - more fees = more $$$
                  5. The freezing out of WBO, IBO and other sanctioning body fighters
                  6. Uniformed drug testing across all states, countries and organizations
                  7. Better competition , albeit exclusively between the 3 organization's fighters/title holders
                  8. Better officiating and judging

                  But then again, I'm an optimist.
                  And I actually like an optimist rather then flaming and personal attacks.

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                  • Khmelnytsky
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by ~Alar~
                    Oh, i have simply forgotten about the great WBO lightheavyweight lineage of the last 10-15 years...

                    That`s the case when lineage means almost nothing... You say that DM was the man at that time, I think - RJJ. I don`t mean that DM was a "paper champ", but the truth is that if DM wasn`t a WBO champ, but a mandatory to one of RJJ`s belts the fight could possibly take place...

                    I don`t blame DM for this fight not happening... RJJ and DM (and his promoter...) are both equally guilty...
                    My point was that Daruisz also had the IBF and WBA belts and rightful #1 status after beating Hill and never lost that status by losing in the ring. Michalczewski wouldn't have been "a mandatory" since he was "the man" not Roy.

                    Roy would have been a mandatory to the real champ, Dariusz, given the timeline.
                    Last edited by Khmelnytsky; 01-17-2010, 10:37 AM.

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                    • Tiozzo
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by micky1971
                      i think there should be a "unified" title. if all three major organisations agreed that their individual title holders at each weight should hold a "super tournament" like the one at supermiddleweight at the moment and then,
                      titles should be fought for like this leaving one winner.
                      then, when an established undisputed,unified title holder has emerged he should relinquish all and any belts but remain king and hold the "unified" title and he would be the recognised champ by all three major bodies.
                      as for the remaining vacant belts, they could be fought over by whoever is ranked accordingly and winners face the unified champion for the title.
                      this will eliminate all the fuss over fighters having to relinquish titles to fight other fighters and so on......also, any fighter looking to avoid certain fighters would not happen.
                      in this scenario you would have to fight who you would HAVE to fight if you wanted to be the champ.
                      what does everybody think???????????????
                      not a chance in hell this happens, very idealistic

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