Pacquiao Calls Smith & Atlas "Liars For Life"

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  • MindBat
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    #31
    Originally posted by shadeyfizzle
    when you trust a source sometimes you dont bother to cross-reference. Happens to the best of them. Most of the time it's minor and noone notices. This time it was noticed. We'll see if anyone can provide proof without giving up the source.
    It was noticed because it was made public and it is a major issue pertaining to potentially the highest grossing fight in history.

    The best of them make mistakes too. Whether they feel the public is owed an apology or not depends on their perspective of the issue and conscience
    after it's all said and done.

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    • Ivansmamma
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      #32
      Originally posted by shadeyfizzle
      The quality journalism in the philippines is a byproduct of how corrupt the government is and the lack of honest law enforcement.

      When something is wrong....journalistic exposure is alot of times their only hope. News networks have uncovered government conspiracies, coup de tats, and even political assassinations on film. just quality quality stuff. One of the few things that country does very right and the rest of the world could take note of.
      Sounds cool. I can't remeber last time i was impressed with European journalism. Half the news flow seems to be about celebritys and the other half is random whining or traffic accidents.

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      • Hijo de Dios
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        #33
        Originally posted by Slimey Limey
        Please do sue that wanker TwAtlas so that he's thrown in jail for life. .
        I'm on a board with 7th graders who don't understand the difference between civil and criminal.

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        • wleterbelt
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          #34
          Originally posted by Hijo de Dios
          Dontcha know? Everybody in the world is a liar...except Manny.
          u talk like a kid mindless idiot..

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          • Tsukiyomi
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            #35
            Originally posted by MindBat
            Correction. When Manny's promoter makes claims of Manny being afraid of needles, and later has to correct his own ridiculous statement after being shown evidence to the contrary, that raises the su****ion of anyone who is concerned about the issue.

            If it's not true, why make the statement? And not only make the statement, but make it publicly for the world to know.
            There is room for doubt in Pac, but it is an issure created solely by May's camp. There is no EVIDENCE, only speculation. To me there is no reason to discredit and cast a shadow over his career based on speculation and questionable journalism.

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            • Hijo de Dios
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              #36
              Originally posted by MindBat
              The real question is: Why would Tim Smith who first broke the story, and is an award winning journalist, risk his reputation on a bogus rumor if he knew it would jeopardize his status as a journalist?

              Teddy merely echoed what he heard. Teddy can simply say that what he heard was incorrect.
              2005 NAT FLEISCHER AWARD
              TIM SMITH

              N.Y. Daily News


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              By Bill Gallo
              New York Daily News

              Let me tell you about Tim Smith, the boxing man for the New York Daily News and this year's winner of the Nat Fleischer Award, the highest honor the Boxing Writers Association of America can bestow on one of its own.

              First off, he's old school in spite of his youthful age -- 46, with his feet firmly planted on high standards. I speak of old school, remembering the likes of Frank Graham from the old Journal American, Jesse Abramson of the Herald Tribune, Al Buck of the New York Post, Jim Jennings from the New York Mirror, Bob Waters of Newsday, Lester Bromberg from the World Telegram and Jack Miley from the Daily News.

              This fraternity of great newspaperman covered boxing on a day-to-day basis in their time. Covering boxing in days gone by was considered to be the best beat on a newspaper. Some senior baseball writers might argue for their sport, but I knew of some who would gladly trade beats with boxing scribes.

              Tim Smith would fit right in with these great people, whom I admired so much because he respects the game and the fighter as those old-school writers did. "The fighter is to be respected, because he is a noble man in a noble profession," said Smith.

              He will tell you how much he admires Muhammad Ali, not only for his talents in the ring, but the courage he showed while holding onto his beliefs during the Vietnam conflict.

              Smith recalls how he got caught up with the Ali story when Muhammad came back after a three-year exile. "I was 12 years old, and it was then that Ali fought Jerry Quarry in Atlanta, which was only 70 miles from my home," said Smith. "I read every story written about the fight, and later I got to see him in the ring."

              It's after all these years after being an Ali watcher that Smith reflects on what he saw: "He had everything and he reminded me of a ballet … the footwork, the pure dancing in the ring, there was physical artistry in it. Watching Ali was intriguing. Ali was and still is the best I ever saw."

              When Tim was a kid, he'd see movies with newspapermen themes that made him want to be a journalist. "I saw the newspaper guys as crusaders and people who always wanted to fight for the truth. 'This is what I want to be,' I remember saying to myself," Smith said. "I wanted to be the kind of guy who would hold up the light in search of the truth."

              Right there you know what kind of man Smith is. He is honest to himself and his craft and tells the truth about the fighters he covers, and he does it all with solid but fair punches from his word processor.

              This accolade certainly is a compliment not only to Smith, but also for those who voted for him. Nat Fleischer would have liked that.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Hijo de Dios
                2005 NAT FLEISCHER AWARD
                TIM SMITH

                N.Y. Daily News


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                By Bill Gallo
                New York Daily News

                Let me tell you about Tim Smith, the boxing man for the New York Daily News and this year's winner of the Nat Fleischer Award, the highest honor the Boxing Writers Association of America can bestow on one of its own.

                First off, he's old school in spite of his youthful age -- 46, with his feet firmly planted on high standards. I speak of old school, remembering the likes of Frank Graham from the old Journal American, Jesse Abramson of the Herald Tribune, Al Buck of the New York Post, Jim Jennings from the New York Mirror, Bob Waters of Newsday, Lester Bromberg from the World Telegram and Jack Miley from the Daily News.

                This fraternity of great newspaperman covered boxing on a day-to-day basis in their time. Covering boxing in days gone by was considered to be the best beat on a newspaper. Some senior baseball writers might argue for their sport, but I knew of some who would gladly trade beats with boxing scribes.

                Tim Smith would fit right in with these great people, whom I admired so much because he respects the game and the fighter as those old-school writers did. "The fighter is to be respected, because he is a noble man in a noble profession," said Smith.

                He will tell you how much he admires Muhammad Ali, not only for his talents in the ring, but the courage he showed while holding onto his beliefs during the Vietnam conflict.

                Smith recalls how he got caught up with the Ali story when Muhammad came back after a three-year exile. "I was 12 years old, and it was then that Ali fought Jerry Quarry in Atlanta, which was only 70 miles from my home," said Smith. "I read every story written about the fight, and later I got to see him in the ring."

                It's after all these years after being an Ali watcher that Smith reflects on what he saw: "He had everything and he reminded me of a ballet … the footwork, the pure dancing in the ring, there was physical artistry in it. Watching Ali was intriguing. Ali was and still is the best I ever saw."

                When Tim was a kid, he'd see movies with newspapermen themes that made him want to be a journalist. "I saw the newspaper guys as crusaders and people who always wanted to fight for the truth. 'This is what I want to be,' I remember saying to myself," Smith said. "I wanted to be the kind of guy who would hold up the light in search of the truth."

                Right there you know what kind of man Smith is. He is honest to himself and his craft and tells the truth about the fighters he covers, and he does it all with solid but fair punches from his word processor.

                This accolade certainly is a compliment not only to Smith, but also for those who voted for him. Nat Fleischer would have liked that.
                I know Tim's rep quite well. I used to look forward to reading his boxing articles in The daily News.

                Thanks for this.

                It will get some people thinking.
                Last edited by MindBat; 01-15-2010, 03:21 AM.

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                • Tsukiyomi
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                  #38
                  I myself have doubts about Pacquiao, but all the assumptions allowed by that doubt have absolutely NO VALUE. To me, he is innocent until proven otherwise. Why waste my time thinking of possibilities just because the Mayweather camp throws allegations around.

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                  • MindBat
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Tsukiyomi
                    I myself have doubts about Pacquiao, but all the assumptions allowed by that doubt have absolutely NO VALUE. To me, he is innocent until proven otherwise. Why waste my time thinking of possibilities just because the Mayweather camp throws allegations around.
                    Things would have played out entirely differently if Arum had made it clear from the very beginning that the NSAC would be the only one allowed to perform the testing.

                    It is obvious that wasn't the case.

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                    • Don Mac
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                      #40
                      My theory is Mayweather is hoping Pac gets beat in his next fight, a big possibilty. He has successfully avoided fighters just by waiting until they get beat so he can say they are no good.

                      Cotto, Margo etc

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