Comments Thread For: Kessler Hires Montoya as Trainer To Beat Froch

[Tiozzo]

Below you show how to handle it with class:

I don't have to show respect to people calling me ****** based on ignorance.

[Tiozzo]

Those comments are made long after the fight took place. You'll find no such things in the post-fight interviews. In fact he just praised Joe after the fight which is also what he does on his homepage and is something you leave out because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Still I'll give you this: I haven't seen those comments as they are on the english version of his web and I don't really see them as excuses since he gives Joe full credit. So it's rather explanations although the I can see that there's a fine line between excuses and explanations and you cannot in honesty say that Kessler came out of this blaming his loss on the injury when he acknowledges that Joe was the better man which is also what he should. Otherwise he shouldn't have stepped into the ring if he felt that the injury prevented him from performing.

You're not helping your cause using rhetoric like your boy Kessler and persevering in your own crazy denial of the truth : Kessler is a sore loser and he makes excuses. The other posters here that are actually not ignorant as you are have basically said the same things I did, which are based on facts. It doesn't matter if the excuses were not given right in the post-fight interviews. It's because the proud warrior would have looked like what he really is so much close to the fight : a sore loser. So he waited a little (just a little bit), and then he started running his mouth about his injury (excuses, whether it's true or not), and you can't deny their existence anymore. So here, yet again, your rhetorical logic fails you again. It's not about when he made the excuses, it's about did he make excuses, and he did. It's funny too that you haven't commented on the beautiful video your countryman has found on Youtube. I think that video is great and just shows HOW MUCH KESSLER IS NOT A SORE LOSER AND IS NOT MAKING EXCUSES AND IS GIVING CALZAGHE FULL CREDIT (irony, in case that you didn't notice). I can't expect objectivity from a man writing, not that he's from Denmark, but from the Viking's country, and who on top of it has a picture of him in his signature. You were owned all the way. So anyway, my job is completed, I proved you wrong, and I proved my point, and this little conversation will be in my signature for everyone to see for a while.

[Tiozzo]

The butts happened as early as about round 4 as I recollect. Ward is a dirty fighter (and a suspected roider) and flying headbutts is a big part of his arsenal.

Biased Nelson at work yet again. Find 1 fight in which Ward headbutts more than once (or even once) an opponent, or else STFU, as you would say. Ward doesn't have a history of headbutting, and in his last fight against Miranda, he was the one who got headbutted. The headbutts happened, but they were clearly unintentional. When both guys move in the same direction at the same moment, ****, although I admit Ward' way of ducking punches may produce more of that type of accidents. But it was clear that Kessler was outclassed anyway, and I believe your recollection may not be correct (although I haven't checked). I recollect the headbutts that created the 2 cuts (third cut is from a punch) happened way later in the fight, around round 7 or 8. Kessler was actually saved by his cuts of further embarassement and punishment. For the roids allegations, please, provide evidence, or else, STFU, as you would kindly say.

[BattlingNelson]

Biased Nelson at work yet again. Find 1 fight in which Ward headbutts more than once (or even once) an opponent, or else STFU, as you would say. Ward doesn't have a history of headbutting, and in his last fight against Miranda, he was the one who got headbutted. The headbutts happened, but they were clearly unintentional. When both guys move in the same direction at the same moment, ****, although I admit Ward' way of ducking punches may produce more of that type of accidents. But it was clear that Kessler was outclassed anyway, and I believe your recollection may not be correct (although I haven't checked). I recollect the headbutts that created the 2 cuts (third cut is from a punch) happened way later in the fight, around round 7 or 8. Kessler was actually saved by his cuts of further embarassement and punishment. For the roids allegations, please, provide evidence, or else, STFU, as you would kindly say.

The flying headbutts last occured at a time when the fight was all but over. So Ward didn't need it to win; he just couldn't help himself. Hence it was integrated in his style. He is the GOAT.........

Roid su****ion comes from LA-times:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=334978

[BarrySlisk]

Hmm...Fights have turned after the 4th round before in history, so you can't base a fight on the first 4 rounds and conclude with certainty that the result i given. I think Kessler is weak mentally so headbutts could do something to his will and focus.

PS! I haven't even seen the fight, so I just speak in general here. Kessler is clean though, so I'm sure that Ward is a cheater. Especially because Kessler does not have the head movement to be likely to clash by accident

[tszyunami]

Froch will no doubt crowd and pressure Kessler, and I don't think Kessler does well against that style. Froch is quick and agile enough to get inside on Kessler without paying too much a price, and should be able to bully him around. I suppose there will be a panel of international judges in Denmark when they do fight, so Froch shouldn't be on the short end of a bad decision. Even though I'm not particularly a fan of Froch's style, I think he can beat Kessler in his home country.

[BarrySlisk]

If Froch does beat Kessler (not that unlikely) then Kessler should retire and count his cash.

[Tiozzo]

Hmm...Fights have turned after the 4th round before in history, so you can't base a fight on the first 4 rounds and conclude with certainty that the result i given. I think Kessler is weak mentally so headbutts could do something to his will and focus.

PS! I haven't even seen the fight, so I just speak in general here. Kessler is clean though, so I'm sure that Ward is a cheater. Especially because Kessler does not have the head movement to be likely to clash by accident

Come on now... this isn't serious. You admit not having seen the fight, and yet, you call Ward a cheater ? You haven't even seen how the butts happened ! To me, they were clearly unintentional, but they were Ward's fault in the sense that he moved towards Kessler to evade his counters, and Kessler ended up the one being cut. If you want to see an intentional headbutt, watch B-Hop bounce off the ropes to clash heads and open a big gash around the eyebrow of Winky Wright. That is cheating. I firmly believe Ward is a clean fighter in every sense of the word. Nelson didn't answer my question anyway and it's no surprise : who has Ward headbutted in the past ? Hopkins is known for his dirty tactics. Ward is not.

[Tiozzo]

The flying headbutts last occured at a time when the fight was all but over. So Ward didn't need it to win; he just couldn't help himself. Hence it was integrated in his style. He is the GOAT.........

Roid su****ion comes from LA-times:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=334978

I've just read the LA article. From what I understand, Conte used to give roids to athletes, but now, his stuff is clean and appears to have only nutritional value since he must be under heavy surveillance. Some lines of the article :

Said Conte about Ward's championship run: "It's worked exactly as I hoped it would."Conte said he's provided his nutritional supplements to Ward and other athletes, including heavyweight boxer Eddie Chambers, who will fight Wladimir Klitschko for a world title in March.

Chambers says he uses many Conte products, from energy shakes to pills that help him recover from weight-lifting sessions and allow him to sleep better. He said he plans to use IHT training before the Klitschko bout.

"Victor's been through the depths of trouble," Chambers said. "For him to come back and try again, he has to be straight and prove himself because so many people are watching him."

"Victor, I like you man, but don't go down that road with me," Ward said he told Conte. "Victor's a brilliant guy when it comes to this stuff, but I was still going to be watchful. I did my due diligence. I read all the labels. And I feel he deserves to be forgiven."

You really can't accuse Ward of taking roids based on this article. I think it shows, to the contrary, that he is clean.