Neutral boxing fans: Do you think Pac is on PED's?

[Reloaded]

This.

Actual evidence would say not, but refusing to take tests leaves questions.

If Floyd had asked teh Commission to make and exception for this fight and they agreed then I would be totally on Floyds side.

but since he didn't and has a history of BS in negotiations i'm sideing with Pac but there are no winners in this.

Now you made the comment " Floyd has a history of BS in negotiations "

Back that comment up with some facts because I cant find any anywhere so you show me what Im failing to find ?

[IMDAZED]

So is that a yes?

So when you was watching his rematch with Marquez. You felt there was something fishy about Pac?

That is a yes - and I was referring to after the Diaz bout - that summer actually. And it wasn't anything I SAW either. I said, "I have ears" not "I have eyes."

[Ray*]

LOL that is why I am not giving my answer cuz I am not neutral... Everybody knows what side I take during this whole thing....

Its hard to find anyone neutral in on the subject to be fair, We could try to be objective but it would be hard not to back whoever you feel you need to back.

[Championart]

Early candidate in the Message Board Awards for "Sentence of the Year."

Lol thanks man

Not to Pacqauio or phillipinoes, You have to understand the filips pride and principle, It not about money .....lol, I cant do that with a straight face.

Lol so true. I ask the people who are blind to the fact that he is a man and not God where were the principles when he was cheating on his wife? If he doesn't care about the money then why did the hatton and dela hoya fights almost get canceled because he was demanding more money? If this was truly about principle he would have just simply taken the tests for the good of the sport of boxing and crucify mayweather in the ring. I like Manny and all but refuse to fall for his B.S. Lord knows that principle isn't the reason why he refused to take those random tests.

[Black Dynamite]

It was never really a question in my mind to be honest. I even brushed aside Mayweather Sr's opinion! Roach seemed very confident at first by saying that Pacquiao would take any test Mayweather wanted and pass. Then for some odd reason they all decided not too, even after Mayweather agreed to everything Pacquiao and his team wanted. That is why so many people are questioning Pacquiao now. I don't think anyone wants him to be on PED's, because it'd hurt the sport of boxing, but by him turning down $40M for random blood test, it certainly didn't help anyone believe that he's clean. It wasn't about pride, or Mayweather thinking he's bigger than the sport. It was about a guy coming from 106lbs and achieving amazing feats. If he'd accomplished those feats by natural genetics he should be more than willing to take the test to solidify his stance and P4P the best and 100% clean.

[Nobuhiro Sugoi]

yes he had no reason to not agree to the tests. Hes hiding something.

[baCCaT]

To be quite candid yes. Have we not learned enough from history, motives, su****ions, actions, excuses and quite frankly threats of lawsuits. Any clean athlete would have been more than happy to prove their innocence and greatness while making an insane amount of money while getting to punch their accuser in the face repeatedly.

you forgot the word FACTS...

greatness is a subjective perception. in my eyes, Kobe Bryant will never be equal with jordan just like critics/haters will never find greatness in pac. its understandable.

and if pac is in fact using peds.. the bashing from his own countrymen will be more than enough.

if money is more important to pac, arum would'nt be his promoter, with the cut he's taking.

[Black Dynamite]

Very true bruh

[IMDAZED]

you forgot the word FACTS...

greatness is a subjective perception. in my eyes, Kobe Bryant will never be equal with jordan just like critics/haters will never find greatness in pac. its understandable.

and if pac is in fact using peds.. the bashing from his own countrymen will be more than enough.

if money is more important to pac, arum would'nt be his promoter, with the cut he's taking.

Really? Then who would be his promoter?

Murad Muhammed, right?

[Ray*]

I picked Pac over Cotto back when the whole forum, or majority thereof, thought Cotto was too big for him.

I'd say that qualifies me as neutral. I don't follow waves, I form my own thoughts. If the wave just so happens to coincide with my viewpoint, then that's different.


But yeah, Pac is on something. You don't just turn down that much money for pride. Especially over such a trivial thing.

I picked Pac over cotto in the 10th round, I got into sooo many argument with PR fans who backed cotto and who thought he would be too big for Pac, I like Pac the fighter but some of his fans and American media are ruining it for me.

On my own principle i blame Pacquiao more for the fight collapsing than i blamed Mayweather, I have this Pac sig here based on Principle, I dont want to hear any athlete refusing random testing..........Period.