Comments Thread For: Margarito’s Manager Speaks; Tony is Already Training

[Kris Silver]

The same could be said about you. Are you a Doctor? Did you test the material to see what kind of effect it has in an actual match?

I don't care, it's not really relevent or much of a leg to stand on. Reason being because when talking about the issue of safety, and when a pro sportsmen in a fight sport has hardening wraps on their hands which would be due to hit someones face, that's enough to deem reasonable doubt for fighter safety. It's much less reasonable to apply the benefit of the doubt on such a matter.

You do not assume the other way when it's already proven they have hardening hands, it goes in the direction of more dangerous, and quite likely noticeably more dangerous, and demonstrating ill judgement, professionalism and quite likely a willingness to have illegal wraps in a fight sport. That is a very serious thing for a licenced professional. Ok.

One other point I'd like to make is Tony's fights with Williams, Clotty, and Cintron. Most people suspect that Tony had always been using the tainted wraps. Well Explain how Clotty and Williams went 12 rounds with Tony and came out of the fight uneffected and even in Williams case won the fight. Plus if the substance was Plaster then how does Tony knock out Cintro early in their to matches when the plaster is supossed to harden late in a fight.

I don't care, frankly. You sound like brash child saying, if they were ok, let him wear em, fuck it. Firstly that shows no respect for the rules of the sport. You cannot cheat in sport and expect to get away with it, and when it's as serious as being in a fight sport where neglect for safety has clearly happened on something as simple to get right as a fighters hands and weapons, then it's a serious matter.

Secondly, quite simply you do not know it not effect them. But he certainly hurt some of his opponents, and it was commented several times that his shots were very thudding.

I seriously don't think Paul and Clotty are inpervious to Plaster. Again not saying he didn't cheat but the punishment needs to fit the crime.

May not have been actual plaster, but it's often fairly described as plaster like, and the bottom line was it was hardening which I fail to credit the trainer and boxer would not realise. That demonstrates a fundamental lack of respect for the rules, safety, and the sports reputation. I agree the punishment needs to fit the crime, we just disagree on the level of the punishment. Merely skipping one fight and being able to carry on is not enough when you've been found guilty of not only cheating, but potentially and quite possibly, risking the safety of other professional fighters.

[TOBYLEE1]

Oh grow up it happens in sports all the time and it pains me that out of all sports fans boxing fans have to be the biggest drama queens of the whole bunch. Especially when they wanna treat Tony's incident the same way they treat the Resto incident. Get off your soapbox and think for just one second because their is a huge diffrence between the two incidents. Punishing both fighters in the exact same fashion is just a refusal to use basic human logic.

Dude calm down, I wasn't the one who compared the two incidents. Margo never got to use them and there is no proof that he has done it in any fight before no matter who suspects it. Resto/Collins is the extreme and should never happen again is what I refer to.

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Mosley was never caught using steroids. Show me where a drug test busted him.

Yeh but he did tell a grand jury that in 2003 he injected himself with EPO. What else do you want?

[pugay_kamay]

Here is a direct quote from the BoxRec site, no plaster like substance found eh? and if nothing was found why was he suspended?

"Controversy

Before the fight, Officials found what one doctor described as plaster hidden in the wrapped hands of Margarito, leading to accusations that Margarito may have been trying to cheat. According to Judd Burstein, the attorney for Mosley, Margarito had wet pads in the wrapping. Mosley's doctor, Robert Olvera, likened the material to the type of plaster used to make casts. Burstein said he seized the pad removed from the wrapping and another pad found in Margarito's dressing room. Both were placed in a sealed box that was given to Dean Lohuis of the California Boxing Commission for further study. After the su****ious pads were removed from Margarito's dressing room, the boxer's hands were rewrapped and the fight went off on time.[1] On January 28, Margarito and his trainer, Javier Capetillo, had their licenses temporarily suspended by the California State Athletic Commission.[2]"

IF that plaster is being used to make as CASTS then it would break Marg hands its cloth with white cement, and it's quite tough after it dried up. So, if he's using it for quite sometime for sure his hands would be amputated due to severe damage.

[TOBYLEE1]

Yeh but he did tell a grand jury that in 2003 he injected himself with EPO. What else do you want?

And the only reason Mosley came clean cause it was a Federal Jury and had a lot to loose with a perjury charge

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Words

I'm sorry but you can't sit here and lump all these incidents into the same catagory and I disagree with you about the safety factor. Again the knuckle pads he was wearing were designed to protect his hands which in itself is a unfair advantage and should be dealt with. But you can't have it both ways!

And no I never said if they are ok then he can wear them dumbass. I simply understand that protecting your hands and intentionally doctoing the gloves to do damage are "not" the same thing. Just like Shopliftng and Murder are two diffrent things which is why in the real world one carries a greater sentence than the other.

[TOBYLEE1]

Are you serious? You are actually trying to rationalize how loaded gloves would only effect certin fighters?

Ok this is making my brain hurt because now you are just ignoring reality.

Negative, what I was trying to indicate of the style of the fighters. Cotto gets hit to dry and doesn't roll with the punch so he will get affected more than Clottey who covers up more. Williams is very tall and busy and as I indicated Margo started to get to him in the end. Loaded gloves will wear you down no matter where you get hit, but where you get hit has a lot to do with it.

[pugay_kamay]

Mosley was never caught using steroids. Show me where a drug test busted him.

I never said Mosley caught cheated, he admitted it as "supplements".

[two_guns]

Right here.

Margarito doesn't have a license. He probably WON'T get licensed, which is why his manager is so tentative.

**** margarito and anyone who supports him. God damn criminal cheater.

so much hate ,and yet if you see him you cream your panties

[F l i c k e r]

Hell yeah! Margarito.... I mean, Dr. Doom is gonna wreck havoc on the WW landscape once again. Can't wait for my boy to hit up the WW scene again. I wonder who he will be fighting. I want it to be someone worthy of talking about, just as long as he wont be fed a W.

I feel sorry for all the people who doubted him. I aint lettin none of you jump back on the bandwagon.