Why dosent Pac just take a test and end all the speculations?

[toyi]

No, it's not. It is the fighter's job to protect his own interests. in every possible way. inside and outside of the ring. not the commission. not the promoter. not the manager. not the trainer.

At the end of the day, there is only one guy who will be facing another man in the ring.

Organizations evolve slowly. especially governmental en******.

So, you're telling me ist's not the boxing commission job to maintain the proper testing procedures? Really?

So, what is the boxing commission for, if they're not the one controlling the rules and regulations for the sport of boxing?

[MindBat]

i already posted this on another thread but luckily i had it saved on my notepad since i expected more of these kinds of threads to pop up.

"i'll try to go as slow as i can so you can fully understand their stance.

pac and pbf's method of negotiations involve a series of mind games that may affect the outcome of the fight itself, similar in a sense to a poker match. you have to be firm enough if you're planning to win.

mayweather's team accusing pac of taking steroids/ped's/hgh/zoloft/extenze/nuvering/etc. and wanting pac to take additional drug tests can be compared to one poker player accusing another of cheating without solid proof and requesting a search for the certain individual.

now, if you are the said poker player being accused sure, you can accommodate that guy's demands and clean your name, but why would you when you don't really have to? the smarter thing to do is let the said player grasp for evidences and proofs that you are cheating, leave him guessing since this will affect him mentally... the more he believes that you are cheating and that he can't prove it, the better since he will start doubting his own judgement later on.

if and only if the said player gets enough proof to warrant a full body search should you agree to it and finally prove your innocence. why? because you do not want yourself, under any circumstance helping your opponent fight his own mental game."

Arum's public and often quoted statement of Manny's "fear of needles" and Ariza's public and often quoted statement of Manny "having no idea what he takes" blows this post completely out of the water.

Crackheads making new rules isn't Pac's cup of tea. The current testing done in boxing is more than sufficient.

That's funny. It was only after the whole thing was blown out of proportion
that Team Pacquiao decided that the NSAC was more than sufficient to conduct testing, and not a minute before.

[pugay_kamay]

Well then it goes to show how ****** Pac is because now the world thinks he's on something besides the 40 *******s on this forum.

I think it's only you, the Floyd fans, Paulie & Mayweathers....

I don't think Floyd fans is the WHOLE WORLD now, are they? If this is the case the worlds ending is near! We have to repent now and be saved.

[Hijo de Dios]

So, you're telling me ist's not the boxing commission job to maintain the proper testing procedures? Really?

So, what is the boxing commission for, if they're not the one controlling the rules and regulations for the sport of boxing?

It is clearly the commission's job to establish and maintain rules. But the fighter has the RESPONSIBILITY to ensure for himself that he protects himself.

Sooo, check this out: The commission has a financial penalty for fighters being overweight...right? that is a rule. Right?

Why did Pacquiao ask for a clause in the contract to charge Floyd Ten Million dollars per pound? To protect himself. Pacquiao did not view the commission rules as being rigid enough.

Floyd does not view the commission testing procedures as stringent enough. same ****.

And i have no problem with either one.

I posted last night that contracts are written to be more restrictive than the governing ordinances ALL THE TIME.

[toyi]

No, he hasn't. But I can just as easily ask you a question in return. Can you guarantee me that's he clean? Maybe he is, maybe he isn't but we're definitely not going to find out if he's unwilling to take the tests to prove his innocence.

As for your second point, you're entitled to your own opinion but just because there are existing rules doesn't mean that they're the best rules. Boxing is way BEHIND the curve when it comes to testing for PED's...

Since Pacquiao started professional boxing he passed all tests with flying colors. He was never found guilty of using PED, so I would say he is clean as a whistle.

The only problem that he has was he was kicking ass and beaten all opponents in a brutal fashion.

To tell you the truth I have more confidence with the boxing commission than the accuser who has zero credibility.

Peace

[toyi]

It is clearly the commission's job to establish and maintain rules. But the fighter has the RESPONSIBILITY to ensure for himself that he protects himself.

Sooo, check this out: The commission has a financial penalty for fighters being overweight...right? that is a rule. Right?

Why did Pacquiao ask for a clause in the contract to charge Floyd Ten Million dollars per pound? To protect himself. Pacquiao did not view the commission rules as being rigid enough.

Floyd does not view the commission testing procedures as stringent enough. same ****.

And i have no problem with either one.

I posted last night that contracts are written to be more restrictive than the governing ordinances ALL THE TIME.

Pacquiao asked for the 10 million per pound because Mayweather was found guilty of going 2 pounds over the stipulated catchweight with his fight with Marguez.

[NEELZ]

Why didn't Mayweather just drop his absurd demands? The format that was in place was sufficient. If Mayweather didn't make the unfounded accusations and ridiculous demands, there would have been the fight. Mayweather is the cause. He didn't want to fight Pacquiao, something about being afraid of losing.

[LiLNipsFatal]

Since Pacquiao started professional boxing he passed all tests with flying colors. He was never found guilty of using PED, so I would say he is clean as a whistle.

The only problem that he has was he was kicking ass and beaten all opponents in a brutal fashion.

To tell you the truth I have more confidence with the boxing commission than the accuser who has zero credibility.

Peace

He has passed all his urine tests, but you can't just ignore the fact that boxing is still living in the past and hasn't incorporated more stringent and random blood testing in addition to urine analysis.

This issue isn't about picking a side to believe. This issue revolves around the sport of boxing and the Nevada Athletic State Commission's need to incorporate more stringent drug testing to ensure ALL BOXERS are clean to ensure the safety and fairness of all fights going forward.

You can claim Mayweather has no "credibility" but he's willing to take random blood tests up until a few days before the fight. What more do you want to to prove he has "credibility"?

You might not like his antics (he's a good businessman and a big talker) or feel like he's trying to get under Manny's skin (it worked), but he's shown more "credibility" than Pacquiao has throughout this whole issue.

[Hijo de Dios]

Since Pacquiao started professional boxing he passed all tests with flying colors. He was never found guilty of using PED, so I would say he is clean as a whistle.

And using your logic, Marion Jones, shane mosley and Evander holyfield and mark McGwire were all clean as a whistle.

[pugay_kamay]

i've explained this situation to non-boxing fans without bias...told them the whole story from both sides......yet all of them think Pacman's juicing...no way you turn down $40million for a "principle" or the "fear of needles"

Have you ever consider the SOCIO-CULTURAL side of other people?

Japanese are Principle minded people, if their name was maligned w/o proof, they will leave/resign whatever post they may have in a corporate world or as a public figure. They don't care about money or fame if their dignity has been tarnished by wrong accusations....

Filipinos are conservative, and Pac is one of the example of having high regard in principles of life. For Filipinos, it doesn't matter if you are poor as long as you are not doing illegal. Principled Filipinos and with DELICADEZA cannot be swayed by anything even money. Why? If you have millions and nobody is respecting you, nobody loves you, then your money is USELESS. Your life will be empty, dull.

IDEALIST?! Yeah maybe, but this it does exists and it happens.

I don't get it when some people keep on pointing about MONEY w/o even considering the reasons behind and ask WHY? Albeit, one of the obvious reason is SOCIO-CULTURAL and/or PERSONALITY.