Chris Byrd had his way with the Klitschkos

[Neuraxis]

Judges in Germany, mind you. And for those that think "Oh, well the judge wasn't necessarily from Germany" it doesn't matter. Judges are appointed by the sanctioning bodies. The fight was Universum promoted. So the sanctioning body in question would've been paid by Universum. The Klitschkos were a huge draw. Byrd can't sell out in his home town, let alone years ago in Germany.

Sanctioning bodies take a 3 percent cut of both fighters purses. Say Klitschkos made $10 million a piece to fight Byrd and Byrd made $500,000 to fight them. If the Klitschkos win, they stay marketable and its another 10 million payday and such for them, which means 3 percent of that 10 million keeps going to the sanctioning bodies. Or, they can get 3 percent of 500,000 to 1 million from Byrd, no matter who he fought. It was more lucurative for the sanctioning bodies to award the fights to the Klitsckos, even without actual bribery occuring.

Bottom line, Byrd HAD to knock the Klitschkos out in order to win. Byrd knocking anybody out is kind of unlikely. Let alone super heavyweights like those guys. I'm not saying he did or didn't actually beat either of them, I"m just pointing this out, that even had he won every single round against both, he still would've been ****ed on scorecards.

Well at least this post was funny.

[masterdirector]

Why is Wladimir's hand in Vitali's lap in your avatar?

[Stickman]

Neurosis or whatever, you're just plain...being a Jones hater clearly.

Byrd held his own against the Klitschkos despite the huge size difference and the probability that Byrd was drugged in Germany.

Jones pointed this out. Wlad was thought to be the better of the brothers and yes he beat Byrd, but then the HBO agenda of shoving the Klitschkos down our throats was turned on its head when Wlad got his ass knocked out in 2 rounds by Sanders. Lucky for HBO, Wlad had a brother who had been majorly in Wlad's shadow. Come on, nobody gave a **** really about Vitali until Wladimir lost. Then HBO flipped the script and said Vitali was the REAL contender. But Byrd already has the win over Vitali.

Also, HBO wants Vitali vs. Rahman right now. And clearly they want Toney vs. Byrd. Toney just had his match. Byrd needs an opponent. Rahman will likely wait around for Vitali. The logical choice for the big opponent was the winner of Ruiz vs. Toney. So Jones was going in that direction. Also, I'm pretty confident that Jones just doesn't buy the Klitschko hype and thinks they're a joke, which, really, they are.

Jones is also a visionary of sorts. He holds a win over Toney. Every good thing that happens to Toney also indirectly benefits Jones. And there's always the crazy possibility of a rematch. Imagine it. The two former middleweights that beat the heavyweight everyone hated get it on at heavyweight for a huge rematch. **** like that is easy to sell.

You really think Toney wouldn't beat Vitali? I'm not saying he'd demolish him, but only b/c Vitali is so huge. Toney would completely out manuever Vitali. Byrd might be slick, but he's not at the level of Toney in that regard.

Byrd didn't hold his own against either fighter. He only had a couple of good moments in the Vitali fight, and was outboxed the entire Vlad fight, suffering multiple knockdowns, and looked like he'd been in a bad car accident afterwards. And he wasn't drugged. I've watched that fight several times....he looked fine, other than being beaten up. Even at the end of the fight and having a face swollen like a balloon, he didn't appear sluggish, slow, or show any signs of dimentia, etc. that one would expect from a drugged fighter. He didn't even seem that worn out...just beat the **** up.

Obviously, you've never watched either fight...... or you're gay and have a major crush on Chris Byrd. Hoping for the former.

[Torino]

I put his losses in red, and noteworthy (I use that term loosely) wins in blue.

A 97% rate over that opposition is mighty impressive indeed.

You already said which of Vitali's opponents were "noteworthy" in your opinion. You don't have to keep repeating yourself. I've already read, analyzed and come to a conclusion about your opinion.

I've concluded that by your statements, your opinion isn't "worthy" of further consideration. In my opinion...that is.

Have a nice day......

[hollister]

Hey, who am I to rain on your parade.

Here you go, enjoy:

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2004
Dec 11 Danny Williams WBC Title defence W KO 8
Apr 24 Corrie Sanders Vacant WBC HW Title W TKO 8
2003
Dec 6 Kirk Johnson WBC HW T Eliminator W TKO 2
June 21 Lennox Lewis WBC/IBO HW Title L TKO 6
2002
Nov 23 Larry Donald WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 10
Feb 8 Vaughn Bean WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 11
2001
Dec 8 Ross Puritty WBA Int'l HW Title W TKO 11
Jan 27 Orlin Norris Vacant WBA Int'l HW T W KO 1
2000
Nov 25 Timo Hoffman Vacant European (EBU) Heavyweight Title W UD 12
Apr 1 Chris Byrd WBO Heavyweight Title L TKO 10
1999
Dec 11 Obed Sullivan WBO Heavyweight Title W TKO 10
Oct 9 Ed Mahone WBO Heavyweight Title W TKO 3
June 26 Herbie Hide WBO Heavyweight Title W KO 2
Feb 20 Ismael John Youla European (EBU) HW T W TKO 2
1998
Dec 5 Francesco Spinelli European (EBU) HW T W TKO 1
Oct 24 Mario Schlesser Vacant European (EBU) Heavyweight Title W TKO 2
Aug 11 Ricardo Kennedy W TKO 1
June 5 Jose Ribalta W TKO 2
May 2 ****y Ryan Vacant WBO Intercontinental HW T W TKO 5
Apr 18 Julius Francis W TKO 2
Mar 20 Levi Billups W KO 2
Mar 7 Louis Monaco W KO 3
Jan 30 Alben Belinski W KO 2
Jan 17 Marcus Rhode W TKO 2
1997
Dec 20 Anthony Willis W KO 5
Nov 29 Herman Delgado W TKO 3
Nov 8 Gilberto Williamson W KO 6
Oct 4 Will Hinton W KO 2
June 14 Jimmy Haynes W KO 2
May 10 Cleveland Woods W KO 2
Apr 12 Derrick Roddy W TKO 2
Mar 8 Calvin Jones W KO 1
Feb 22 Troy Roberts W KO 2
Jan 26 Mike Acklie W KO 1
1996
Dec 21 Brian Sargent W TKO 2
Nov 30 Frantisek Sumina W TKO 1
Nov 16 Tony Bradham WBA/IBF Heavy Title W KO 2

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I put his losses in red, and noteworthy (I use that term loosely) wins in blue.

A 97% rate over that opposition is mighty impressive indeed.

This guy's a ****ing joke. VK probably has more wins than this guy has pubic hairs, and he states his Opinions as though they are "fact" lol. Wonder how he would fare against this opposition?

[LuKahnLi]

YEah I caught that on Saturday too....Lampley had a look on his face like 'Wha the ****?'

[Enayze]

Neurosis or whatever, you're just plain...being a Jones hater clearly.

Byrd held his own against the Klitschkos despite the huge size difference and the probability that Byrd was drugged in Germany.

Jones pointed this out. Wlad was thought to be the better of the brothers and yes he beat Byrd, but then the HBO agenda of shoving the Klitschkos down our throats was turned on its head when Wlad got his ass knocked out in 2 rounds by Sanders. Lucky for HBO, Wlad had a brother who had been majorly in Wlad's shadow. Come on, nobody gave a **** really about Vitali until Wladimir lost. Then HBO flipped the script and said Vitali was the REAL contender. But Byrd already has the win over Vitali.

Also, HBO wants Vitali vs. Rahman right now. And clearly they want Toney vs. Byrd. Toney just had his match. Byrd needs an opponent. Rahman will likely wait around for Vitali. The logical choice for the big opponent was the winner of Ruiz vs. Toney. So Jones was going in that direction. Also, I'm pretty confident that Jones just doesn't buy the Klitschko hype and thinks they're a joke, which, really, they are.

Jones is also a visionary of sorts. He holds a win over Toney. Every good thing that happens to Toney also indirectly benefits Jones. And there's always the crazy possibility of a rematch. Imagine it. The two former middleweights that beat the heavyweight everyone hated get it on at heavyweight for a huge rematch. **** like that is easy to sell.

You really think Toney wouldn't beat Vitali? I'm not saying he'd demolish him, but only b/c Vitali is so huge. Toney would completely out manuever Vitali. Byrd might be slick, but he's not at the level of Toney in that regard.

What do you define as "holding his own". If you mean gettin his ass beat for 12 rounds straight against Wlad than I agree. And getting outboxed by one armed Vitali, than I agree as well.

Klitschko's being a hype and a joke? I don't think so bud, I guarantee you Jones would never step in the ring with either brother, and that goes for majority of the heavyweights out there.

[Enayze]

Judges in Germany, mind you. And for those that think "Oh, well the judge wasn't necessarily from Germany" it doesn't matter. Judges are appointed by the sanctioning bodies. The fight was Universum promoted. So the sanctioning body in question would've been paid by Universum. The Klitschkos were a huge draw. Byrd can't sell out in his home town, let alone years ago in Germany.

Sanctioning bodies take a 3 percent cut of both fighters purses. Say Klitschkos made $10 million a piece to fight Byrd and Byrd made $500,000 to fight them. If the Klitschkos win, they stay marketable and its another 10 million payday and such for them, which means 3 percent of that 10 million keeps going to the sanctioning bodies. Or, they can get 3 percent of 500,000 to 1 million from Byrd, no matter who he fought. It was more lucurative for the sanctioning bodies to award the fights to the Klitsckos, even without actual bribery occuring.

Bottom line, Byrd HAD to knock the Klitschkos out in order to win. Byrd knocking anybody out is kind of unlikely. Let alone super heavyweights like those guys. I'm not saying he did or didn't actually beat either of them, I"m just pointing this out, that even had he won every single round against both, he still would've been ****ed on scorecards.

You dont know what the **** your talking about. Byrd fought Vitali and won 3 close rounds that could've went either way. If the judges were truly corrupt they would've gave each round to Vitali. Not to mention two of the judges were from the states.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Oh and speaking on Roy Jones respecting Toney: NO **** GENIUSES!
Toney is the second guy to beat Ruiz as a former Middleweight.
1) What, RJJ is gonna say "Nahhh Toney is ****, any middleweight can do it"? That takes away from his accomplishment of beating the HW champ! No **** he's gonna say Toney is the ****!

2) Here have another look at Jones embarrassing Toney clip. Again, do you expect RJJ to say that he toyed with a ****ty fighter? No, he will say that Toney is Great… and by saying that.. makes him (RJJ) a STAR!

[!! Mr. Soprano]

As far as RJJ slipping and ****ing up during his commentary and having Lampley correct him.. YES HE DID and all you RJJ lovers and Klitschko haters just admit it. There is no reason to argue and you look really ****** by saying.. "Well, what he actually meant is..." All of a sudden everyone is a philosopher.