Toney Ud!

[vB Martin]

And who the **** did he fight???
Only known names you see in his record and he has an "L" next to it!
His best wins are Jirov, Booker, and Ruiz (As you can see, I'm not including Holyfield in this one)

Hall of fame MY ASS!

If 69-4-2 with 43 KOs record fighting no bodies is a HOF acomplishment, than Valuev who's 40-0-0 with 30 KOs should join him don't you think?

YEAH RIGHT!

Lemme see. He beat Michael Nunn for the Middleweight crown, then Iran Barkley for the Super Middleweight crown, then Vasily Jirov for the Cruiserweight crown.

All 3 were considered to be among the best in their division at the times.

The only crown he took from a slob was the Heavyweight, and he won't hold that long if he fights real contenders.

When Nikolay has defended his Heavyweight crown for a few years, we will have earned the right to be inducted, too. Of course he has to win one first.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Lemme see. He beat Michael Nunn for the Middleweight crown, then Iran Barkley for the Super Middleweight crown, then Vasily Jirov for the Cruiserweight crown.

All 3 were considered to be among the best in their division at the times.

The only crown he took from a slob was the Heavyweight, and he won't hold that long if he fights real contenders.

When Nikolay has defended his Heavyweight crown for a few years, we will have earned the right to be inducted, too. Of course he has to win one first.

Vasily Jirov - Yes he did beat him and Jirov was a champion. A champion of what?? Are there any real contenders in Cruiserweight? A boxer with any skills moves up to HWs. So THE KING Jirov is what now ranked as 42? Lets move on to his next opponent on your list (reverse order)..

Iran Barkley - 30-7-0 at the time Toney beat him? 43-19-1 - How is that a valid champion??
Michael Nunn - OK, not a bad record, but again: who did HE fight?

Toney beat him to win the IBF Middleweight title. I Be Fat - Yes he won that!

There is NO WAY if Toney quits now he earned himself a spot at the hall of fame!

Stop smoking those funny cigarettes!

[legend]

Vasily Jirov - Yes he did beat him and Jirov was a champion. A champion of what?? Are there any real contenders in Cruserweight? A boxer with any skills moves up to HWs. So THE KING Jirov is what now ranked as 42? Lets move on to his next opponent on your list (reverse order)..

Iran Barkley - 30-7-0 at the time Toney beat him? 43-19-1 - How is that a valid champion??

Michael Nunn - OK, not a bad record, but again: who did HE fight?
Toney beat him to win the IBF Middleweight title. I Be Fat - Yes he won that!

There is NO WAY if Toney quits now he earned himself a spot at the hall of fame!

Stop smoking those funny cigarrets!

Toney has ha some accomplishments in his career, but earnign a spot in the hall of fame is stretching it a bit. Beating Michael Nunn, some one who nobody else except devoted boxing fans have even heard of. Jirov, who lost to Joe Mesi, and now beating Ruiz, the most boring and less-skilled champion of all-time. I give him props, but a hall of famer he is not. He should have beat better fighters when he hada chance. The only way he gets into the hall now is if he beats VK, which will NEVER happen.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Toney has ha some accomplishments in his career, but earnign a spot in the hall of fame is stretching it a bit. Beating Michael Nunn, some one who nobody else except devoted boxing fans have even heard of. Jirov, who lost to Joe Mesi, and now beating Ruiz, the most boring and less-skilled champion of all-time. I give him props, but a hall of famer he is not. He should have beat better fighters when he hada chance. The only way he gets into the hall now is if he beats VK, which will NEVER happen.

And this is exactly what I'm saying!

And even if he does beat VK, what does that prove? Is VK a hall of famer?

If he unifies the belts and remains the champ for like 3-5 years.. than no doubt.. but he is too short, too fat and too OLD!
He just happen to be in the right place at the right time.

I don't want to take away that he is quick, talented and has a good chin! BUT THERE IS NO WAY HE SHOULD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME!

[vB Martin]

Vasily Jirov - Yes he did beat him and Jirov was a champion. A champion of what?? Are there any real contenders in Cruserweight? A boxer with any skills moves up to HWs. So THE KING Jirov is what now ranked as 42?

Granted, the cruiserweight division has been, historically, deviod of talent, but up to that point only 3 fighters had ever gone the distance with him. He ruled that division until Toney came along.

Iran Barkley - 30-7-0 at the time Toney beat him? 43-19-1 - How is that a valid champion??

If you look at Iran Barkley record, you will see that, for some reason, he decided to move up in weight. He finished his career as a Heavyweight.
He holds not one, but 2 wins over Tommy Hearns. No one else in boxing can say that.

3 of his 7 losses prior to Toney came to Nigel Benn, Roberto Duran and Michael Nunn. No shame in those losses.

Michael Nunn - OK, not a bad record, but again: who did HE fight?

He was undefeated coming into the fight with Toney, and held a win over Iran Barkley. Iran was the only real name on his resume, but he was considered the best MW at the time. A win over Iran Barkley is not a small thing.
Michael Nunn was favored going into the fight.


If you want to say that Toney has wasted more talent than most boxers could dream of having, I will stand there and defend you against the Toney nuthuggers, but you can't deny that he is headed for The Boxing Hall of Fame. Not many people have held titles in 4 weight divisions, having taken 3 of them from people who were considered to be the best at the time.

[Zeroflip1]

Good win for Toney. Would he have won if Ruiz had been hugging all night-doubt it. The few times he did clinch, ( few and clinch in a sentence about ruiz says something in itself) I didn't see Toney doing his " amazing inside body work ".

I give ruiz credit, like some people have said, he did the best with what he had. Sure the guy was boring as hell but he really wanted to be there and did what he could. He stood up tonight with Toney and tried to prove that he wasnt a boring fighter, he wanted people to like him, and frankly, I don't blame him. I felt bad for Ruiz tonight, I am not a big fan of his, but I really felt bad for him.

That "knockdown" was utter bull**** and everyone saw it. I was not impressed with Toney at all. He looked like **** imo to be honest.

I am not trying to hate on Toney I just think he is getting to much credit and being too hyped up for the heavyweight division and for this win. If Ruiz had smothered his ass it would have been over. Ruiz did get caught with counters, but if he would have kept that jab in toneys face and smothered him, like usual, I think he could have pulled off a win.

I think Ruiz beat himself tonight, he tryed to change his styles in too big of a fight, against a good foe.

Toney didn't put anyones lights out tonight, I doubt he could have if he wanted to.

Also , as much as I like Roy, he was being an idiot, Vitaly would destroy Toney. He would put T's light out for goddamn sure. With that long jab, that awkward style, a solid chin he would beat T all night long.

Maybe if he looses some weight, looks motivated, and gives a damn, he might stand a chance against Vitaly...a small one..very small.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Granted, the cruiserweight division has been, historically, deviod of talent, but up to that point only 3 fighters had ever gone the distance with him. He ruled that division until Toney came along.


If you look at Iran Barkley record, you will see that, for some reason, he decided to move up in weight. He finished his career as a Heavyweight.
He holds not one, but 2 wins over Tommy Hearns. No one else in boxing can say that.

3 of his 7 losses prior to Toney came to Nigel Benn, Roberto Duran and Michael Nunn. No shame in those losses.


He was undefeated coming into the fight with Toney, and held a win over Iran Barkley. Iran was the only real name on his resume, but he was considered the best MW at the time. A win over Iran Barkley is not a small thing.
Michael Nunn was favored going into the fight.


If you want to say that Toney has wasted more talent than most boxers could dream of having, I will stand there and defend you against the Toney nuthuggers, but you can't deny that he is headed for The Boxing Hall of Fame. Not many people have held titles in 4 weight divisions, having taken 3 of them from people who were considered to be the best at the time.

And with all that said.. All of those "BIG" Toney's wins were nothing more than Contenders.

You stepped into a puddle on this one.. just give it up!
Just admit that you went overboard when you said that "Toney deserves a spot in the hall of fame"

Nothihng wrong with admiting when you're wrong.

[FistoftheDallasStar]

He's going to beat Klitschko. You'll see.

I agree totally. To overraters who think Vitali is going to step into the ring and destroy James Toney this will be a sad day.

[Bozo_no no]

And with all that said.. All of those "BIG" Toney's wins were nothing more than Contenders.

You stepped into a puddle on this one.. just give it up!
Just admit that you went overboard when you said that "Toney deserves a spot in the hall of fame"

Nothihng wrong with admiting when you're wrong.

Wow, this coming from a Vitali nut hugger.

LOL at you critisizing Toney's resume, when your hero's biggest career wins are over Larry Donald, and a 260lb Kirk Johnson.

Try just a little bit to keep it real.

[legend]

Wow, this coming from a Vitali nut hugger.

LOL at you critisizing Toney's resume, when your hero's biggest career wins are over Larry Donald, and a 260lb Kirk Johnson.

Try just a little bit to keep it real.

Well let's keep it real than. Toney beating JOHN RUIZ in no way should establish the fact that he could take VK. Not a nuthugger once again, but VK is obviously a few notches above Ruiz, don't ya think? LOL.