Toney Ud!

[vB Martin]

so, a 4-time, 4-division World Champion doesn't deserve a spot in the Boxing Hall of Fame. Only the 3rd Middleweight to ever win a Heavyweight title, but he doesn't deserve a spot? I would admit I was wrong if I were.

Am I correct in assuming by your avatar that you're one of the ones who thought that Wlad the Chinless deserved this shot instead of Toney?

[!! Mr. Soprano]

Wow, this coming from a Vitali nut hugger.

LOL at you critisizing Toney's resume, when your hero's biggest career wins are over Larry Donald, and a 260lb Kirk Johnson.

Try just a little bit to keep it real.

Bozo...

Why do you always have to stick you 5 cents in? Why do you alway have to bash on VK? This thread is not about him.. and then you go and complain that every thread turns into just that..

/ Sigh

Why is there the need to create Klitshcko threads after every Heavyweight fight?

And while we're at it.... did I say anything that was not wright about Toney?

SPEAK UP!

[vB Martin]

Well let's keep it real than. Toney beating JOHN RUIZ in no way should establish the fact that he could take VK. Not a nuthugger once again, but VK is obviously a few notches above Ruiz, don't ya think? LOL.

only the toney nuthuggers are saying that.

[MWCOFSU]

you guys are giving Toney way too much credit. Ruiz simply fought the wrong fight once again when facing a former middleweight champion. Someone put it in his head(just like in the RJJ fight) that all of a sudden he can be a boxer. Just because he's got a slight height advantage he's all of a sudden going to be able to pop his jab and box from the outside.
if anyone picked Ruiz in this fight, it wasnt because they thought Ruiz had the ability to outbox Toney. Like someone else pointed out earlier, Toney did not look impressive on the inside at all. his most effective punches were rights coming in to the head or body. Ruiz should have fought his sloppy, hugfest fight. i was looking for Ruiz to fix the mistake he made against Jones and be all over Toney all night. i wanted to finally see someone beat Ruiz's ass when he tried to hug all night. but once again he chooses to "box" and gives away a 12 round decision.
I hope this finally is the end of ruiz, but I seriously doubt it.

[legend]

only the toney nuthuggers are saying that.

Yeah, I think it's just because they're high on Toney's "spectacular" win tonight. I'm in no way a VK fan. I like to watch him fight because he always comes prepared for battle, but I only defend him here because he is the best heavyweight out there right now, love him or hate him.

[!! Mr. Soprano]

so, a 4-time, 4-division World Champion doesn't deserve a spot in the Boxing Hall of Fame. Only the 3rd Middleweight to ever win a Heavyweight title, but he doesn't deserve a spot? I would admit I was wrong if I were.

Am I correct in assuming by your avatar that you're one of the ones who thought that Wlad the Chinless deserved this shot instead of Toney?

I don't believe Toney accomplished enough in his carrier to be a HOF boxer.
Stop looking at the belts and the numbers and look at his competition.

Listen, by me being a fan, doesn't mean that I'm blind of their flaws! Nor am I saying his is the best of the best. Just a prospect who I like.
How come when people have nothing else to say.. they turn to my avitar and start bashing on the Klitchkos.. Pathetic

[vB Martin]

Yeah, I think it's just because they're high on Toney's "spectacular" win tonight. I'm in no way a VK fan. I like to watch him fight because he always comes prepared for battle, but I only defend him here because he is the best heavyweight out there right now, love him or hate him.

I'd agree with that.

[cmason]

glad my prediction came true, how could anyone doubt that lights out would'nt beat this guy? bring on the russian frankenstien!!!!

[vB Martin]

Stop looking at the belts and the numbers and look at his competition.

I did. You didn't. Again, since it didn't sink in the other 5 times, 3 of the 4 belts were taken from the people who were considered to be the best in the division at the time. One of the 3 had TWO wins over an all-time great fighter in Tommy Hearns.

Very few fighters with lengthy careers have a resume full of great wins over great fighters. If we base the value of a fighter on the number of bums on their resume, then both the Klits are more worthless to boxing than Toney. Neither of them has a career-defining fight that goes in the win column. Both their career definers have come in defeat. Little Klit to Sanders and Big Klit to Lewis. At least Big Klit's loss defined him as a warrior, almost making up for quitting in the corner in a fight he couldn't have lost with one hand.

[theironone]

Toney beat mccallum at 160 too, but they were close, and he's a very respectable fighter, i think toney deserves to be in the hall of fame and he'll get in too, much less deserving fighters have gone in.

I'm so glad toney won, i havn't seen the fight but from the pics toney looked far too heavy he needs to stay at about 215 - 220, what was his handspeed and movement like compared to when he fought holy?