We Know Who Killed This Fight

[corpse elf]

all you got to know is that schaefer and haymon agreed with the judge's ruling. that means they thought the deal was fair.

floyd refusal to listen to his promoter and advisor means he doesn't really want the fight.

no..i asked for ANYtest at ANY time as long as floyd is willing to do the same..
floyd is gonna be the one in the ring man not arum or haymon..is there a two week window period or not? or any at all?

[ALG United]

Pac killed the fight. 24 Day cut off is a joke. Why does he need 24 days with no testing?

Olympic guru: Blood AND urine testing must for Mayweather-Pacquiao

Michael Marley



Not to come off as any kind of bleeding heart but this random testing controversy between demanding Floyd Mayweather Jr. and so far refusing Manny Pacquiao may soon become academic.

Whether or not Pacman accedes to Mayweather’s stand for Olympic-style testing of both blood and urine, it’s coming to boxing and coming soon.


I spoke at length with the key medical figure involved in the constant refinement and upgrading of drug testing in the Olympics, UCLA Professor Emeritus Dr. Donald Catlin and he said, contrary to an article he published back in 2003, that BOTH random checks of urine and blood are imperative to keep athletes, in this case boxers, honest.


“This kind of testing must be done,” Dr. Catlin said, “so the public can be sure, relatively sure, that the boxers are clean.

See reporter Jill Lieber Steeg's superb March 4, 2007, USA Today profile of Dr. Catlin.

“It may seem tough to some but we’ve got keep raising the bar, hoping they (cheaters and their helpers) make mistakes. We have to make life miserable for them and that is what random testing can do, what it is doing. We have to keep closing the window of time when they can cheat and get away with it.”

First, let me make a point about the Good Doctor.

(See how Olympic drug crackdown shook up the August, 2008, Beijing Games.)


He is not, other than a longtime volunteer association with Don Jose Sulaiman and the World Boxing Council, any kind of boxing insider. He wasn’t really sure who either Bob Arum or admitted steroid user Sugar Shane Mosley were when I mentioned their names as he spoke from his home in California.

Second, the doctor found it kind of amazing when I informed him that former BALCO ringleader Victor Conte, the guy who handed Mosley his cheater drugs and his doping calendar before Shane’s second bout against Oscar de la Hoya, is working with some boxers today.

“Really, Victor Conte?” Dr. Catlin said. “He used to be the bad guy, he got caught and now I guess he’s supposed to be one of the good guys. I was deeply involved in the Barry Bonds case and in all the BALCO situations. We worked for years before we caught Conte.”

I asked the distinguished physician and professor what type of illegal drugs might be most likely to tempt professional boxers.

“Well, with Human Growth Hormone, the smaller guys might be less into that than the bigger fighters, the heavyweights. But we can’t be sure about any fighters using HGH, EPO and steroids without the blood and urine testing done at random times.”

EPO is the drug that most people either accuse Pacman of using or whisper that he is using, the most likely drug enabling him to rise from a scrawny 106-pounder to the welterweight who has been knocking out foes weighing 160 pounds.

Dr. Catlin makes no presuppositions about Pacquiao or any other athlete but he did talk about EPO.

“That’s an endurance thing but nobody has done real studies on this in relation to boxing so there is no hard data on it. The way it is now you can’t be sure, in any given fight, that both fighters are not cheating.”

Dr. Catlin sees the current Nevada State Athletic Commission drug testing protocol as inefficient and not up to date in terms of detection.

But he’s not a critic of the Nevada boxing board, in fact, he would be willing to work with the NSAC to strengthen its testing protocol.

“We’re getting better at this but did you know that, in the last 30 years, nobody has been caught using HGH because there is not a good enough test as of yet. You can stop using HGH for one day, just one day, and you can be clean in any test. They can use EPO one day and then it can be gone by noontime the next day. All the drugs are different, all have different windows (for detection). All we can do is to keep upping the ante, making the tests more random and stronger.

“I think the present situation is bad for boxing in the public relations sense because I think fairness is so vitally important. But absolutely I would love to help Nevada, I would love to sit down and talk about what they’re testing for how and how they’re testing,” Dr. Catlin said.

“I am not saying we’ve got the Olympics all cleaned up, not by any means. But we are getting there.”
Mayweather, Pacquiao and all the rest had better get used to getting that needle jab because it sounds like random blood and urine testing is the wave of the future in boxing just as it already is in the Olympic Games.

This is why the same doctors/scientists are the same ones pushing for an upgraded urine testing because of the obvious reason that they cannot blood test an athlete everyday or every other day of his/her life. I think it was dr. Catlin the same doctor you posted who published an article that says, random blood testing for EPO is only helpful for determining unnatural level of EPO which can also be detected from athletes that live in high altitude or an athlete that was born with a naturally higher EPO level. Now in the same article Dr. Catlin stated that random urine testing is more effective in detecting UNNATURALLY INDUCED LEVEL OF EPO...!!!

[fdotorres]

no..i asked for ANYtest at ANY time as long as floyd is willing to do the same..
floyd is gonna be the one in the ring man not arum or haymon..is there a two week window period or not? or any at all?

USADA's top guy already said that the urine test detects the drug that floyd claims that pacquiao is using. no need for a blood test if your bargaining chip, an expert in these things, says that both tests detect the same ****

floyd got exposed by his own bargaining chip as a fraud and a ducker

[Gutz]

Why does Pac need a 24 Day cut off?. Thats what holding the fight. The cut off date.

Why do you need extra testing when Pac been clean for 11years..


So who started this mess..

And who killed the fight..


thats right .. Floyd Mayweather...

[Bee Keepz]

Pac killed the fight. 24 Day cut off is a joke. Why does he need 24 days with no testing?

Olympic guru: Blood AND urine testing must for Mayweather-Pacquiao

Michael Marley



Not to come off as any kind of bleeding heart but this random testing controversy between demanding Floyd Mayweather Jr. and so far refusing Manny Pacquiao may soon become academic.

Whether or not Pacman accedes to Mayweather’s stand for Olympic-style testing of both blood and urine, it’s coming to boxing and coming soon.


I spoke at length with the key medical figure involved in the constant refinement and upgrading of drug testing in the Olympics, UCLA Professor Emeritus Dr. Donald Catlin and he said, contrary to an article he published back in 2003, that BOTH random checks of urine and blood are imperative to keep athletes, in this case boxers, honest.


“This kind of testing must be done,” Dr. Catlin said, “so the public can be sure, relatively sure, that the boxers are clean.

See reporter Jill Lieber Steeg's superb March 4, 2007, USA Today profile of Dr. Catlin.

“It may seem tough to some but we’ve got keep raising the bar, hoping they (cheaters and their helpers) make mistakes. We have to make life miserable for them and that is what random testing can do, what it is doing. We have to keep closing the window of time when they can cheat and get away with it.”

First, let me make a point about the Good Doctor.

(See how Olympic drug crackdown shook up the August, 2008, Beijing Games.)


He is not, other than a longtime volunteer association with Don Jose Sulaiman and the World Boxing Council, any kind of boxing insider. He wasn’t really sure who either Bob Arum or admitted steroid user Sugar Shane Mosley were when I mentioned their names as he spoke from his home in California.

Second, the doctor found it kind of amazing when I informed him that former BALCO ringleader Victor Conte, the guy who handed Mosley his cheater drugs and his doping calendar before Shane’s second bout against Oscar de la Hoya, is working with some boxers today.

“Really, Victor Conte?” Dr. Catlin said. “He used to be the bad guy, he got caught and now I guess he’s supposed to be one of the good guys. I was deeply involved in the Barry Bonds case and in all the BALCO situations. We worked for years before we caught Conte.”

I asked the distinguished physician and professor what type of illegal drugs might be most likely to tempt professional boxers.

“Well, with Human Growth Hormone, the smaller guys might be less into that than the bigger fighters, the heavyweights. But we can’t be sure about any fighters using HGH, EPO and steroids without the blood and urine testing done at random times.”

EPO is the drug that most people either accuse Pacman of using or whisper that he is using, the most likely drug enabling him to rise from a scrawny 106-pounder to the welterweight who has been knocking out foes weighing 160 pounds.

Dr. Catlin makes no presuppositions about Pacquiao or any other athlete but he did talk about EPO.

“That’s an endurance thing but nobody has done real studies on this in relation to boxing so there is no hard data on it. The way it is now you can’t be sure, in any given fight, that both fighters are not cheating.”

Dr. Catlin sees the current Nevada State Athletic Commission drug testing protocol as inefficient and not up to date in terms of detection.

But he’s not a critic of the Nevada boxing board, in fact, he would be willing to work with the NSAC to strengthen its testing protocol.

“We’re getting better at this but did you know that, in the last 30 years, nobody has been caught using HGH because there is not a good enough test as of yet. You can stop using HGH for one day, just one day, and you can be clean in any test. They can use EPO one day and then it can be gone by noontime the next day. All the drugs are different, all have different windows (for detection). All we can do is to keep upping the ante, making the tests more random and stronger.

“I think the present situation is bad for boxing in the public relations sense because I think fairness is so vitally important. But absolutely I would love to help Nevada, I would love to sit down and talk about what they’re testing for how and how they’re testing,” Dr. Catlin said.

“I am not saying we’ve got the Olympics all cleaned up, not by any means. But we are getting there.”
Mayweather, Pacquiao and all the rest had better get used to getting that needle jab because it sounds like random blood and urine testing is the wave of the future in boxing just as it already is in the Olympic Games.

Scientists.

[corpse elf]

USADA's top guy already said that the urine test detects the drug that floyd claims that pacquiao is using. no need for a blood test if your bargaining chip, an expert in these things, says that both tests detect the same ****

floyd got exposed by his own bargaining chip as a fraud and a ducker

so manny DID NOT agree to ANY test at ANY time as long as floyd does the same just like floyd wanted..

correct or not? just answer with a yes or no please..

[BlackHat]

so manny DID NOT agree to ANY test at ANY time as long as floyd does the same just like floyd wanted..

correct or not? just answer with a yes or no please..

hopeless....

[fdotorres]

so manny DID NOT agree to ANY test at ANY time as long as floyd does the same just like floyd wanted..

correct or not? just answer with a yes or no please..

of course not, and rightfully so, so keep that bull**** logic out of here and leave it for when you need to deal with morons

manny agreed to be tested for urine anytime, which, ACCORDING FLOYD'S OWN SOURCE, IS EVEN MORE EFFECTIVE THAN THE BLOOD TESTS

manny did more than enough by offering to get his blood tested 24 days before the fight, when (again, so your ***** feeble brain can understand it) IT ISN'T NECESSARY AND IS LESS EFFECTIVE THAN THE BLOOD TEST

floyd's own leveler in the negotiations exposed him. that's how the story ended. floyd the ducker emerges once again, even on the verge of his biggest payday ever

[ALG United]

Originally Posted by Bee Keepz
Didn't Arum tell Schaefer to petition NSAC for these random blood tests?

Schaefer

"Now that I've learned more about this, boxing now will have an outspoken advocate for blood testing in the sport," Schaefer said. "I plan to ask Nevada to have Travis Tygart explain why blood tests are necessary. This is not about hitting a baseball, throwing a football or hitting a puck. This is a sport that's mano-a-mano, with guys hitting each other's heads. It's important that the strongest testing possible is in place."

Arum

"No. 2, we would agree to take the blood test in January, within 30 days of the fight and any other random blood tests that the Nevada State Athletic Commission elected to do without a timeline," said Arum. "We're so confident that the Nevada Commission would do the right thing that we don't have to put a timeline in there."

Kizer

GL: As of now have any petitions been filed?

KK: "No."

I THINK THIS IS SELF EXPLANATORY ALREADY

[VERDUGO]

. Evryone including the Mayweather fans(not the *****s) can't deny that Floyd killed...never wanted this fight.