Comments Thread For: Mayweather Has a History of Being a 'Coward,' Says Arum

[slindee3]

Oh dear, here we go again. Do I really have to spell it out in black and white. Firstly, my mentioning of being biased was purely a reaction to YOUR outlining that those of us who are in defence of Manny's proud stand thus far, are, in your own words ''so far up Manny's ass''. What you fail to realise, is that most people that comment on Manny Pacquiao on this ridiculous affair, are simply sharing their opinion in an impartial an unbiased manner. This cannot be said for those in support of Mayweather. His own fanbase, such as your blind self, clearly reflect this.

The whole blood test fiasco is ridiculous. For Floyd to even request such a scenario in itself is preposterous, but typical of the demands of a man of sheer arrogance such as Floyd Mayweather. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty I ask?. This present day society has inflicted a 'guilty until proven innocent' mentality, however in this instance, it is merely a tool in the Mayweather camp to either unsettle and ruffle Manny's feathers, or to simply avoid the fight altogether. In saying all of this, Manny has already offered to compromise in agreeing to test 24 days prior to fight night. Lets not forget that he has also agreed to test on the day after the fight, which would of course prove if there was in fact anything dubious taking place. It was Mayweather in the end, who failed to compromise in the eventual negotiations. The whole affair is utterly ridiculous.

As far as Floyd not facing anyone. Tut tut, where is your boxing knowledge?. Have you simply choose to ignore the blatant and obvious ducking and diving that has haunted Mayweather throughout his illustrious career. This is not mere speculation or debatable boxing trivia, but common knowlede in the boxing world.

Regardless of Pacquiao, Floyd has a track record of avoiding the stiff tests that would challenge his undefeated record. Have you forgotten one Antonio Margarito, in which he walked away from millions. This in itself proves that while Floyd is obviously a very shallow and materialistic individual in his obsession with the dollar, it is not his sole reason for determining whether or not to square off against a challenger. How you fail to see this is baffling, but I suppose love is blind. Floyd's actions have always spoke for themselves. Avoiding Margarito, Cotto, Mosley, Williams and Pacquiao speaks volumes about the type of man that Floyd Mayweather is. That's not even mentioning never dancing the dance with such fighters as Casamayor, Freitas and Vivian Harris, whom were all in the realm of his grasp. There is no respect to be earned in hand picking opponents who don't present a fair fight. Gatti, Baldomir, Hatton and now a possible powder punching contest with Malignaggi or Matthew Hatton??. Come on, lets call a spade a spade. Floyd Mayweather is a man devoid of humility or respect, a man with no class, but most importantly a coward. He runs not only inside the ring, but outside he's an accomplished runner, too.

You write "and its almost as if you talk like floyd is some scrub". This is both untrue and based on your own fabrications of my own words. I never implied that Floyd was a ''scrub''. What I did point out was that Floyd Mayweather is notorious for ducking fighters that would be a threat to his ''O''. This has been seen time and time again. It goes without saying that Floyd Mayweather is perhaps the most gifted boxer, not 'fighter', or our generation. He has skills in abundance and is a man of technical brilliance. However, one has to face the best, to be the best. One can't build a legacy without facing the best fighters out there. Boxing logic, in its purist form.

You say I'm a ''hater'', but you are wrong in your assumptions. I strive to remain impartial, which you should try sometime. I can recognise Mayweather for his God given talent, but I can also read between the lines. Mayweather will never go down in history alongside the greats, but this is not breaking news. He will be remembered for a career of what could have been. In many ways, a wasted talent.

On another note, Manny Pacquiao is not ''my boy''. Never has he been, or will he be. I don't have any boys, be it through marriage or otherwise. Manny Pacquiao is a man that I respect, not only for his boxing skill set, but also for his humility and respect as a man. This is as far as my following of Manny stretches.

In time, you will come to realise the truth. They say that the truth hurts, and it this case I imagine it will be akin to a swift shot to the liver, or perhaps a sweet uppercut to the kisser. However and whichever way the truth comes to fruition, I do hope that it wakes you up to the sweet smell of reality. Until then, I'm sure you'll be happy to ride the Mayweather band wagon, but that is of course your choice.

Quack quack, who will he duck next?.

You may be able to speak eloquently, but your words expose your bias and lack of credibility. I will address each paragraph in your comment.

Para. 1- you mention that Pac fans are sharing their impartial and unbiased opinions. Are his fans the only ones with impartial and unbiased opinions?

Para. 2-you mentioned "whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty." I'm willing to bet that you were among the mass screaming that Bonds and O.J. were guilty when they were accused. Also, how is Floyd using this as a tool to avoid the fight when he is subject to the same tests? Pac compromise of 24 days prior is ridiculous. Drugs can be taken between then and fight night. Testing the day after makes no sense either because damage could have already been inflicted.

Para 3.- I agree with you on this one. Floyd has ducked Margarito, PWill, Cotto and Mosely before he retired but he is willing to fight everyone's so called pound for pound. Pac just need to take the blood test and the fight is on. That's not Floyd ducking. Will Pac ever fight Floyd, Shane or PWill? For some reason I don't think so.

Par. 4- do you really believe that Casamayor, Freitas and Harris had a chance against Floyd!? Didn't Corrales beat Casamayor and Freitas?

Para 5.- you mentioned Floyd is notorius for ducking fighters that threatens his "O". All Pac has to do is submit the blood, like Floyd will, and the fight is on. In reference to "Floyd is a gifted boxer, not fighter," the sport is called boxing not fighting. That's why it's called the sweet science.

Para 6.- you say that you strive to remain impartial but your comments expose your lack of sincerity. Your comment of "sheer arrogance" (which he is), on Floyds behalf, spews of venom. You also go on to say that he is devoid of humility or respect with no class, but go on to say that you respect Pac for his humility and respect him as a man. Everyone has their own opinion, but don't try to pass yourself of as impartial.

Final comment- Everyone is jumping on Pac's bandwagon because of his last three fights. Even though I've always believed Oscar was overrated, (I say this because Oscar lost to all of the elite fighter he's fought) Pac would not have beaten him in his prime. Cotto was never the same fighter after his loss to Margarito. I'm willing to bet that no one would pick Pac to beat Cotto in his prime. And Hatton is a B+ fighter, he doesn't count. Pac has gained his reputation on three shot fighters and I'm not ****** into his hype. Beat Floyd, PWill and Mosley, guys in their prime, then I'll start believing.

[Stick_and_move]

Exactly you nor I have the power to change the boxing landscape. This fight isn't happening because we are so blinded by fanaticism . The powers that be will put on any fight as long as we have legions of people who have a "guy". I support Floyd you Manny or who ever else you may like your gonna pay to see him dance, right or wrong. As long as some one is willing to pay the piper, the piper is gonna give us the same song and dance.......


There will always be believers and non- believers . By nature people will watch Pac next fight , for 1 as fans or 2 to see him lose and say, see he wasn't that good,Floyd vice versa. they have this machine so oiled up as long as Pac and Floyd keep beating guys who have no reason being in the ring with them its gonna go on. People will ***** and complain but on those saturday nights people in america love nothing more then to get drunk pull out the grill. With a bunch of there close friends and watch there guy kick some ones ass because that 54.99 is small price of admission for that good time.

Lets agree to disagree, neither one is scared of the fight the time and place isn't right. Old time proverb why kill the cow for the meat now when you can milk it for ever. Once big boxing as a whole can survive with out Pac or Floyd someone is getting thrown to the wolves sort of speak.
Boxing always way needs a cash cow a beat Pac or a Beat Floyd is bad for boxing right now. Who could take there places. Everyone stop bitching this isn't the 80's the prime time of boxing . People loved boxing just simple boxing any boxer was your guy come Friday or Saturday night in the 80's. In this day and age of celebrity its me first and **** the fans. You would have to be ****ing crazy if you think for a second Ross Greenberg and the fellas from HBO will take the chance of let them, fight opposition that could beat either of them um no. A bird in your hand beats two in the bush. It's our fault this fight isnt happening bc they know they can get 3 ppv's for the price of one from us the paying faithful wake up they will fight. When you may wonder, when the powers at be has there fill or one fighter is no longer need it.........

Interesting post. I will agree to disagree, certainly. Afterall, we're only human. My humble opinion is exactly that.

Lets hope the fight is made, be it now or somewhere in the near future.

[Mr. Chago]

how can he be a coward when he agreed to blood test..


You fail at posting..


try something new.. It might work next time.. But I dont have much hope for *****s posting anything with logic..

You Fail on your post, "*****" WTF?...just because I state the obvious, I'm a fan of both, hence objective, but it's ridiculous how blind you are not to see that it's both fault the negotiation failed, but PAC's arguments for not taking the random blood tests are ridiculous, just ask King Abraham, Cotto, Paulie, etc... who the coward is? LOL.

You can be a 5 year old calling me *****, etc...LMAO, no need to coment anymore on that.

[Modobo3]

Floyd Mayweather made outlandish requests for random blood tests. Who is he to change the way in which testing already takes place. Just another example of Floyd's arrogance. There is absolutely no evidence to support any claims that Manny Pacquiao is using performance enhancing drugs. Fact.

Manny Pacquiao compromised in agreeing to move the testing nearer to fight time, while Mayweather's refusal to compromise has ultimately led to the fight being dropped. This in itself speaks volumes. Also, the blood test after the fight would clear up any doubts.

Floyd ducked Manny in as far as he let the fight slip through his fingers. We as the boxing pundit, will suffer for his arrogance.

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I find it interesting that...

1. You have absolutely no problem or su****ion regarding the Pac and his teams LIES???

2. Totally disregard the former NSAC Chairman/Chief Ringside Physcians point of view and recommendations...and disregard that this ISN'T the first time it has been done...I mentioned earlier that both HolyField and A. Abraham took the very tests that PBF is recommending???
and claim that PBF created this type of testing for boxing - He didn't per those examples???

3. you mention Manny's compromise...He only agreed to that date because he was caught in a LIE...So he basically said ... Can't take the test for all the reasons he's said got got lying...and then said fine since you caught me I'll agree to take it 24 days out???

4. Blood test after the fight??? Come on, first can you take PED's and have them out of your system with in 24-48hrs - FACT.
Who wants to get their head punched in by a potential cheat only to find out after??? Don't you think all of the people who've lost to cheaters would have like to know before hand???

5. Lastly, you mention outlandish requests...Really i mean really...and you don't see 10,000,000.00 for and 1oz over 147 as being outlandish or in the very least excessive???
You fail to see that PBF has agreed to every request made by team PAC, EVERY SINGLE ONE...and I suppose PBF was treating himself unfairly, since he'd be taking the very same outlandish random blood tests.

...If PAC had the others PPV numbers do you think Arum and Pac would have agreed to 50/50...Hell no...They'd told PBF to kick rocks!

Floyd didn't buckle, he has been committed to making this fight and appears to be willing and able to get in the ring if PBF agrees to the random tests...and I bet anything they would have agreed to a week cut off.

Stick_and_move - Thanks for the back and forth...no name calling just passion...Green K coming peace.

[Stick_and_move]

You may be able to speak eloquently, but your words expose your bias and lack of credibility. I will address each paragraph in your comment.

Para. 1- you mention that Pac fans are sharing their impartial and unbiased opinions. Are his fans the only ones with impartial and unbiased opinions?

Para. 2-you mentioned "whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty." I'm willing to bet that you were among the mass screaming that Bonds and O.J. were guilty when they were accused. Also, how is Floyd using this as a tool to avoid the fight when he is subject to the same tests? Pac compromise of 24 days prior is ridiculous. Drugs can be taken between then and fight night. Testing the day after makes no sense either because damage could have already been inflicted.

Para 3.- I agree with you on this one. Floyd has ducked Margarito, PWill, Cotto and Mosely before he retired but he is willing to fight everyone's so called pound for pound. Pac just need to take the blood test and the fight is on. That's not Floyd ducking. Will Pac ever fight Floyd, Shane or PWill? For some reason I don't think so.

Par. 4- do you really believe that Casamayor, Freitas and Harris had a chance against Floyd!? Didn't Corrales beat Casamayor and Freitas?

Para 5.- you mentioned Floyd is notorius for ducking fighters that threatens his "O". All Pac has to do is submit the blood, like Floyd will, and the fight is on. In reference to "Floyd is a gifted boxer, not fighter," the sport is called boxing not fighting. That's why it's called the sweet science.

Para 6.- you say that you strive to remain impartial but your comments expose your lack of sincerity. Your comment of "sheer arrogance" (which he is), on Floyds behalf, spews of venom. You also go on to say that he is devoid of humility or respect with no class, but go on to say that you respect Pac for his humility and respect him as a man. Everyone has their own opinion, but don't try to pass yourself of as impartial.

Final comment- Everyone is jumping on Pac's bandwagon because of his last three fights. Even though I've always believed Oscar was overrated, (I say this because Oscar lost to all of the elite fighter he's fought) Pac would not have beaten him in his prime. Cotto was never the same fighter after his loss to Margarito. I'm willing to bet that no one would pick Pac to beat Cotto in his prime. And Hatton is a B+ fighter, he doesn't count. Pac has gained his reputation on three shot fighters and I'm not ****** into his hype. Beat Floyd, PWill and Mosley, guys in their prime, then I'll start believing.

Now you've gone and hurt my feelings. Please, don't get your panties in a twist. Let me address each paragraph in your own little outburst.

Paragraph 1.- In answer to your question, yes I will stand firm on my opinion that a larger majority of Manny Pacquiao's fans are remaining somewhat impartial. This is a simple reflection on the type of boxing pundit that a smack talking Floyd Mayweather will attract. Of course ''his fans are not the only ones with impartial and unbiased opinions?''. This goes without saying. It is a matter of majority, and minority. You seem like an intelligent individual, so I need not explain in detail.

Paragraph 2.- My advice to you is don't gamble so much, it's not your forte. I certainly didn't accuse O.J Simpson, nor Bonds for any such accusations or convictions that did eventually materialise. I didn't follow either trial, and I reserve judgement without knowing infinite details of the trial. As far as Floyd using this scenario as a tool to avoid the fight. Well, I would have thought this is self explanatory. Of course Floyd is taking the tests as well, but it is he who is making the accusations based on absolutely no evidence. 24 days before fight time is not ridiculous, but already a compromise on what is already common practice. Of course testing the following day makes sense, regardless whether damage is inflicted or not. If he tested postive, any performance would not be valid and of course his career would in potential jeopardy.

Paragraph 3.- You agree, but still manage to squeeze in a few shots downstairs. There is also a matter of pride concerning Pacquiao, especially after the Mayweather camps illegitimate claims. You talk of Pacquiao avoiding Mosley and Williams, which is utter nonsense. Pacquiao has no history of avoiding anybody, and should a fight with Mosley present itself, then lets burn that bridge when we come to it. As for Williams, well any chance of Manny moving up that far is minimal. That won't be a matter of avoidance, but of circumstance.

Paragraph 4.- Whether or not these particular 'boxers' had a chance or not is irrevelant. The topic of debate concerned Floyd's ducking and dodging of significant competition. A matter of fighting the easy fight, rather than fishing for a challenge. This is boxing, and all it takes is one punch, especially when dealing with a man of Acelino Freitas's power. Any man can beat another man on any given night, however small the chance of victory might be. You posed another question in whether or not Corrales defeated Freitas and Casamayor, but please, come on. This boxing logic is flawed in every sense. So and so beat this fighter, so that that means that so and so can beat that fighter. This isn't the school yard.

Paragraph 5.- All Floyd has to do is compromise. With Manny being a proud and humble man, there is pride involved. Yes, I pointed out that Floyd is not a 'fighter', but a boxer. So you took the opportunity to teach me what I already know. Congratulations, and well done. Boxing has many names, but fighting is a significant element of the ''the sweet science''. Had you donned the gloves and been in the trenches, then you would know this.

Paragraph 6.- Yes, I said I strive to remain impartial, and that I do. Your opinion doesn't change my sincerity or intention. Admittedly, I dislike Floyd Mayweather, but as a boxing fan, I do respect his abilities. My comment of ''sheer arrogance'', which you are in aggreeance with, does of course spew of venom. This is the intention of the comment, however this doesn't mean that I'm not trying to remain impartial. It is possible to remain impartial, but still have an opinion. Yes, everybody has their opinion, and I do mine. I have critisized Manny Pacquiao on occasion, as do I with any fighter that I might happen not to agree with, be it for his actions or otherwise. This comes with STRIVING and TRYING to remain impartial.

I for one, have not jumped on any band wagon. I have followed both Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather for as long as I have bobbed and weaved. Oscar is irrelevant to this little spat of verbal ping pong, so I reserve judgement. If he would beat Oscar in his prime is purely hypothetical, and thus again, irrevelant. As far as Cotto vs Pacquiao, I predicted a Cotto victory in the late rounds, but I as a mere mortal can't always be right. Hatton is more than just a B+ fighter, being one of the most dominant junior welterweights of all time. Remember, he has only lost to the two greatest fighters of present day boxing. Now, you say that Manny Pacquiao has gained his reputation on beating three shot fighters. This sums it all up really. You sir, are not only biased, but somewhat laughable in your ill judgements. To say that Pacquaio is an accumulation of ''hype'' is just another example of your own lack of boxing knowledge and credibility. His accomplishments speak for themselves, in volumes. Seven different titles in seven different weight classes. Ring magazines number one pound for pound fighter in the world. The man has beaten Morales twice, Barerra twice, Marquez, Larios and David Diaz before any of your so called ''shot fighters''. Your post was at least bearable, before you shot yourself in the foot with such an ignorant observation in your so called ''final comment''. Close, but then again, nearly never won the race.

[TxIcon_1998]

Tell Manny to take the test!!! He should be happy to do it to prove he's clean.
Something is up with Manny.

[Stick_and_move]

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I find it interesting that...

1. You have absolutely no problem or su****ion regarding the Pac and his teams LIES???

2. Totally disregard the former NSAC Chairman/Chief Ringside Physcians point of view and recommendations...and disregard that this ISN'T the first time it has been done...I mentioned earlier that both HolyField and A. Abraham took the very tests that PBF is recommending???
and claim that PBF created this type of testing for boxing - He didn't per those examples???

3. you mention Manny's compromise...He only agreed to that date because he was caught in a LIE...So he basically said ... Can't take the test for all the reasons he's said got got lying...and then said fine since you caught me I'll agree to take it 24 days out???

4. Blood test after the fight??? Come on, first can you take PED's and have them out of your system with in 24-48hrs - FACT.
Who wants to get their head punched in by a potential cheat only to find out after??? Don't you think all of the people who've lost to cheaters would have like to know before hand???

5. Lastly, you mention outlandish requests...Really i mean really...and you don't see 10,000,000.00 for and 1oz over 147 as being outlandish or in the very least excessive???
You fail to see that PBF has agreed to every request made by team PAC, EVERY SINGLE ONE...and I suppose PBF was treating himself unfairly, since he'd be taking the very same outlandish random blood tests.

...If PAC had the others PPV numbers do you think Arum and Pac would have agreed to 50/50...Hell no...They'd told PBF to kick rocks!

Floyd didn't buckle, he has been committed to making this fight and appears to be willing and able to get in the ring if PBF agrees to the random tests...and I bet anything they would have agreed to a week cut off.

Stick_and_move - Thanks for the back and forth...no name calling just passion...Green K coming peace.

...and thank you sir, for your intelligent rebuttal. While we might not agree on many aspects of this hot topic, I can respect your position and insight. I will agree to disagree. I will say that I do have a little su****ion, but that is human nature. We, as fans, are only privy to speculation at best. Lets just hope that this fight happens, sooner rather than later. For the good of the sport.

[ShoguNinja]

You all know the gayweather is naturally bigger the Manny right?! He said that he has more skills, speed, boxing i.q. and undefeated and ready to whoope Manny's a$$?! Then why the f@ck he throws a "curve ball" in the negotiatiions if he has supreme confidence that he will win if the fight happens?! ANSWER: He is not really sure he can win againts a guy who's very determined to shut him down.

That's why the gayweather's play it to the press and issue concocted "media statements" and accusations to get themselves out of the bind in this fight and thats the reality of this whole mess. The gayweather's never intended to be in this fight, they just use it as a promotional gimmick to get media attention.

[iBEATBITCHES]

what you say about my momma!!!!!!??????? Hahahaha what a lame!

i aint talkin bout her btch, she's saying hi. seriously, show her some respect.

[BigFan]

Mayweather backed out in time to not get KOd

Now Mayweather can talk lots of trash like the rest of his family, because he will not have to face the pitbull that is Pacquiao. Mayweather will never be mentioned in the same breath as Duran, Leonard, Napoles, Basilio, Robinson, etc. Suck it up, Floyd!