How much of a punch does Morales really pack?

[psychopath]

Hi, pal! Yes, that overhand right! Somewhere at the start of the round, as I recall; though I don't remember exactly which round! Twas one big beauty! But, you said it: about what MAB did to it! Boy!

Saying, Erik has lost SOME of the pop, is, I guess the best way to put it. He still can dish it at the higher weights but what he has now looks less meaner than what he had at Superbantam.

I think that's what mic573 is saying as well in his post on this thread. He said he's been saying that for quite a time now, so, I guess I should have listened to mic earlier.

Erik's last KO victim, that I heard of, before meeting Guty in the rematch was a hapless Eddie Croft, in what was a widely criticized match-up. Eddie had lost 5 of his last 6 fights before meeting Morales in Tijuana! Many feared for Eddie's life! The abbreviated ending (3? I'm not sure.) was Erik's gift to Croft for showing up, I guess...

About Chavez: Jesus was in deep trouble, but Erik failed to put him away. Re: Carlos, he was target practice, yes, but stayed on his feet till last bell.
Good to see you, buddy!

That's right Bros Eric connected with his right both on the 7th and 8th rounds. The most clear power punch that Eric gave MAB on the whole fight.

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He punches pretty hard, But like jabs said he is a little to right hand happy. He might not have Koed anyone in his last 3 fights at 130 but he dropped both the 130 lb champs. Hernandez himself tasted the power and elected by his own admision to stay in the safety zone where Morales couldnt tag him with full power at the same time hinder his own ability to land good shots on Erik. Barrera who hates him also testifies his power is very good, and in the fight it was though Morale's activity level was pretty poor compared to previous performance he hurt Barrera on more than one occasion.

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Its not will, its not heart, its not desire, its a bad style matchup for Morales and it always will be plain and simple. If these two guys fight 100 times its always gonna look like this.

No Morales has not brought his punch up to 130, like someone said before at 122 he had a wicked right.

As far as Chavez goes its hard to KO someone when they have there hand glued to the side of there face.

If the matchup is so bad, the first two fights wouldn't have been so close as to be controversial, wouldn't it be? If it were so bad a match-up--plain and simple, as you put it-- for Morales, wouldn't it make sense that Barrera would have dominated in all three fights? Morales, was widely seen as having won the second fight although he lost in the tally. If the match-up is simply bad, doesn't it make sense that he would have had lost that too?

If they fought 100 times, it would look exactly like the trilogy, you say. Each of those 100 will be just as close then? How simply bad a match-up can be when each of the two has a chance to win? Isn't it emblematic of a good match-up that results are close, instead of when results are close, a match-up is bad for one the fighters?

Forgive me, but I have always thought that the best fights are those where the two protagonists have, each, good chances of winning. And when those fights comprise a series of meetings between two EVENLY MATCHED FIGHTERS, they're sometimes dubbed as "rivalries" (especially, when bad blood gets into the mix). Wasn't MAB-Morales one?

So, ok, in the eyes of many, in the third meeting, MAB was superior. But can anyone say, he so dominated Morales that the match was not good for Morales, so plain and so simple? It was not as if Morales didn't get a single round! If the third match wasn't any good for Morales because of their respective styles, how can the two previous fights be good for Morales when basically both brought the same styles to the three fights with but minor adjustments? Again, I must point out, Morales is widely perceived as having taken the second outing! How bad was that match-up for him if his style wasn't any good to take on Barrera?!

I am inclined to agree with you however, that Morales hasn't seem to have brought much of his power with him from 122 to 130. And, if you look at the thread starter, you will find that that is exactly the question that is being raised.

About Chavez, wouldn't it be easier to knock out a guy who punched only with one hand than one who kept punching with two? Wouldn't it be a lot less trouble to just wade in and deliver a whammy to the sucker? One need not have to worry too much about being counter-punched, after all!

[mr. bojangles]

If the matchup is so bad, the first two fights wouldn't have been so close as to be controversial, wouldn't it be? If it were so bad a match-up--plain and simple, as you put it-- for Morales, wouldn't it make sense that Barrera would have dominated in all three fights? Morales, was widely seen as having won the second fight although he lost in the tally. If the match-up is simply bad, doesn't it make sense that he would have had lost that too?

If they fought 100 times, it would look exactly like the trilogy, you say. Each of those 100 will be just as close then? How simply bad a match-up can be when each of the two has a chance to win? Isn't it emblematic of a good match-up that results are close, instead of when results are close, a match-up is bad for one the fighters?

Forgive me, but I have always thought that the best fights are those where the two protagonists have, each, good chances of winning. And when those fights comprise a series of meetings between two EVENLY MATCHED FIGHTERS, they're sometimes dubbed as "rivalries" (especially, when bad blood gets into the mix). Wasn't MAB-Morales one?

So, ok, in the eyes of many, in the third meeting, MAB was superior. But can anyone say, he so dominated Morales that the match was not good for Morales, so plain and so simple? It was not as if Morales didn't get a single round! If the third match wasn't any good for Morales because of their respective styles, how can the two previous fights be good for Morales when basically both brought the same styles to the three fights with but minor adjustments? Again, I must point out, Morales is widely perceived as having taken the second outing! How bad was that match-up for him if his style wasn't any good to take on Barrera?!

I am inclined to agree with you however, that Morales hasn't seem to have brought much of his power with him from 122 to 130. And, if you look at the thread starter, you will find that that is exactly the question that is being raised.

About Chavez, wouldn't it be easier to knock out a guy who punched only with one hand than one who kept punching with two? Wouldn't it be a lot less trouble to just wade in and deliver a whammy to the sucker? One need not have to worry too much about being counter-punched, after all!

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[pinkpanther]

Perhaps the question is how much of a chin does MAB have?

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Perhaps the question is how much of a chin does MAB have?

That's a fair one; but how many times did MAB go down vs. Pacquiao, including the one in the sixth that the ref blew? And remember the first of the two Junior Jones-MAB fights?

Stack those up against the three Morales fights...?

Btw, Jones going into the fight vs. MAB had just a shade over 50% KO rate at 46 wins, 26 by KO/TKO. Morales, entered the ring last Saturday with a much more impressive KO rate: 46-1-0 with 34 KOs! Eight more than what Jones had when MAB's corner entered the ring after MAB fell twice before Jones resulting in a DQ5 at the Ice Palace in Tampa.

The question then is raised: how was Barrera able to stay on his feet (and even win two of the three meetings) against Morales who had 34 KOs and not be able to take Jones' who had 8 less KOs on his record? His chin held up to Erik's vaunted right, but he went down to Jones'!

I don't have THE answer, Pink... I can make a guess, but that's all can do...

[chito]

If the matchup is so bad, the first two fights wouldn't have been so close as to be controversial, wouldn't it be? If it were so bad a match-up--plain and simple, as you put it-- for Morales, wouldn't it make sense that Barrera would have dominated in all three fights? Morales, was widely seen as having won the second fight although he lost in the tally. If the match-up is simply bad, doesn't it make sense that he would have had lost that too?

If they fought 100 times, it would look exactly like the trilogy, you say. Each of those 100 will be just as close then? How simply bad a match-up can be when each of the two has a chance to win? Isn't it emblematic of a good match-up that results are close, instead of when results are close, a match-up is bad for one the fighters?

Forgive me, but I have always thought that the best fights are those where the two protagonists have, each, good chances of winning. And when those fights comprise a series of meetings between two EVENLY MATCHED FIGHTERS, they're sometimes dubbed as "rivalries" (especially, when bad blood gets into the mix). Wasn't MAB-Morales one?

So, ok, in the eyes of many, in the third meeting, MAB was superior. But can anyone say, he so dominated Morales that the match was not good for Morales, so plain and so simple? It was not as if Morales didn't get a single round! If the third match wasn't any good for Morales because of their respective styles, how can the two previous fights be good for Morales when basically both brought the same styles to the three fights with but minor adjustments? Again, I must point out, Morales is widely perceived as having taken the second outing! How bad was that match-up for him if his style wasn't any good to take on Barrera?!

I am inclined to agree with you however, that Morales hasn't seem to have brought much of his power with him from 122 to 130. And, if you look at the thread starter, you will find that that is exactly the question that is being raised.

About Chavez, wouldn't it be easier to knock out a guy who punched only with one hand than one who kept punching with two? Wouldn't it be a lot less trouble to just wade in and deliver a whammy to the sucker? One need not have to worry too much about being counter-punched, after all!

Well said, my friend! Just asking, how did you score the fight round by round? The fight has been shown to our local cable network twice, unlucky for me, i wasn't able to watch the second telecast. Could have been that my score was inaccurate because i scored it 114-114! Well, one of the judges scored it that way, so it could have been right. I noticed that even if Barrera was throwing a lot of punches more than what Morales has been throwing, it was the latter who has the better hand speed! And if Morales has the better hand speed, why didn't he use this to his advantage? Do you agree with me here?

Is there something wrong with Morales? I thought he could have done much better! There were some rounds like 7 and 8 when i thought he's beginning to find his rhythmn and win but after that, Barrera comes back hitting some good shots and throwing everything like there's no tomorrow. So what do Morales do next? Will he fight Barrera again?

Will Barrera fight Pacquiao next? I believe that Barrera's style fit perfectly for Pacman which the latter has slight advantage of. If I were Pacquiao's manager, I would advise him to go for Barrera. Forget JMM, he will just outsmart him with his counterpunching. Pacquiao was the same slugger fighter that i know, strong and quick, nothing more nothing less. Fits perfectly for Barrera's style, isn't it?

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Well said, my friend! Just asking, how did you score the fight round by round? The fight has been shown to our local cable network twice, unlucky for me, i wasn't able to watch the second telecast. Could have been that my score was inaccurate because i scored it 114-114! Well, one of the judges scored it that way, so it could have been right. I noticed that even if Barrera was throwing a lot of punches more than what Morales has been throwing, it was the latter who has the better hand speed! And if Morales has the better hand speed, why didn't he use this to his advantage? Do you agree with me here?

Is there something wrong with Morales? I thought he could have done much better! There were some rounds like 7 and 8 when i thought he's beginning to find his rhythmn and win but after that, Barrera comes back hitting some good shots and throwing everything like there's no tomorrow. So what do Morales do next? Will he fight Barrera again?

Will Barrera fight Pacquiao next? I believe that Barrera's style fit perfectly for Pacman which the latter has slight advantage of. If I were Pacquiao's manager, I would advise him to go for Barrera. Forget JMM, he will just outsmart him with his counterpunching. Pacquiao was the same slugger fighter that i know, strong and quick, nothing more nothing less. Fits perfectly for Barrera's style, isn't it?

Hi, Buddy! I'm afraid I scored it much like the HBO crew did: had it for Barrera-- cumulative. But I saw most of the rounds to be pretty close (I won't argue too stridently against anyone who'd call many of them even, though I would if many are outright given to Erik. ), except 6 and 9 which I thought was clearly MAB's and 7 and 8 which I thought was clearly Morales.
I gave Barrera the 1st and Erik, the 2nd; both ways ever so slightly.

Like you, I'm left wondering why Erik did not do many of the things he was expected to do-- jab *******ly to set up his right, for example. I don't kinow if something was wrong with him. Some are saying on this site that he carried too much weight (143, it was reported).

Erik, with the loss, I think has slid lower on Pac's laundry list; but not because he has abruptly diminished his chances against the Filipino sensation. It's just that, boxing fanatics as well as many of the mainstreamers (those who watch only bigfights and would rather spend more time with SEX AND THE CITY...) appear to be leaning toward two rematches: PAC-MAB and PAC-JMM. They look at these as UNFINISHED business, and because $$$$ speak loud, these, IMHO, would be given closer looks by HBO suits and the bigtime promoters concerned. Morales-Pac does not have as much lure as these two "UNFINISHED" matters.

Let me quickly add however that I think Pac and Morales must meet, sometime, possibly after those two. I said, "possibly", because, who knows, Pac, himself, can be involved in a trilogy or two... (That could make him pretty wealthy, pretty quickly!) If that happens, Erik may have to wait out his turn longer. Who knows...?

With respect JMM-MAB, I don't think that would generate as much urgency as the two I have mentioned. I even think that it would be a little south on the scale of what Pac-Morales would generate. But having said that, an interesting prospect, too, would be Morales-JMM, if weight issues don't get in the way. Don't you think so?

Note: I predicted in a thread prior to the bout that it would be MD- Morales, with one judge calling it a draw. Look where that got me! Ha! Ha! Ha! I'm eating crow, buddy! Oh, well, what do I know...

[P@pasmurf]

I see your point Jabs...

And Manny also has a fondness for his left; too much fondness for my taste, I must add. IMHO, it was that proclevity to throw lefts most of the time that put him in some predicaments during the JMM fight, after the initial round.

But the first round showcased power, don't you think? One doesn't deposit a Marquez too easily on a canvass; not three times in a single round. That, alongside the Barrera fight, demonstrates to me that Pac brought what he had at the lower weights up to featherweight.

I'm a little at a loss as to what happened to Erik's power as he went up in weight... Chavez and Carlos Hernandez are not exactly today's jr. lightweight versions of George Chuvalo and Tex Cobb... I think.

Yeah, i dont see much power either.