How much of a punch does Morales really pack?

[grayfist]

thanks for the great rundown on morales grayfish.
replying to your note i thought those judges had it too close. i had it 8 rounds to 4 for barrera as did some other boxing site commentators. hey the castillo/casamayor this comeing up weekend should be an asswrencher maybe along the same lines of eric/marco.

You're pretty much welcome, Steel... And, yes, CASTILLO-CASA ought to be. 'Tis a season to be jolly, ain't it?!!!

[mic573]

Morales punch at 130 is not that devastating I have been saying this for awhile now. He has a very good punch and can really hurt his opponents if he catches them in the right spot or by surprise but he can't just go out and really hurt his opponents the way alot of people thought.

[mr. bojangles]

That BIG overhand right smack on the face of Barrera, was it rd7?, didn't shake MAB a bit...just chewed it and spat it out.

IMO Morales lost some pop in his punches.

EM couldn't put away a 1-armed Chavez and Hernandez who looked more like a punching bag.

[grayfist]

That BIG overhand right smack on the face of Barrera, was it rd7?, didn't shake MAB a bit...just chewed it and spat it out.

IMO Morales lost some pop in his punches.

EM couldn't put away a 1-armed Chavez and Hernandez who looked more like a punching bag.

Hi, pal! Yes, that overhand right! Somewhere at the start of the round, as I recall; though I don't remember exactly which round! Twas one big beauty! But, you said it: about what MAB did to it! Boy!

Saying, Erik has lost SOME of the pop, is, I guess the best way to put it. He still can dish it at the higher weights but what he has now looks less meaner than what he had at Superbantam.

I think that's what mic573 is saying as well in his post on this thread. He said he's been saying that for quite a time now, so, I guess I should have listened to mic earlier.

Erik's last KO victim, that I heard of, before meeting Guty in the rematch was a hapless Eddie Croft, in what was a widely criticized match-up. Eddie had lost 5 of his last 6 fights before meeting Morales in Tijuana! Many feared for Eddie's life! The abbreviated ending (3? I'm not sure.) was Erik's gift to Croft for showing up, I guess...

About Chavez: Jesus was in deep trouble, but Erik failed to put him away. Re: Carlos, he was target practice, yes, but stayed on his feet till last bell.
Good to see you, buddy!

[m00ks]

Hi, pal! Yes, that overhand right! Somewhere at the start of the round, as I recall; though I don't remember exactly which round! Twas one big beauty! But, you said it: about what MAB did to it! Boy!

Saying, Erik has lost SOME of the pop, is, I guess the best way to put it. He still can dish it at the higher weights but what he has now looks less meaner than what he had at Superbantam.

I think that's what mic573 is saying as well in his post on this thread. He said he's been saying that for quite a time now, so, I guess I should have listened to mic earlier.

Erik's last KO victim, that I heard of, before meeting Guty in the rematch was a hapless Eddie Croft, in what was a widely criticized match-up. Eddie had lost 5 of his last 6 fights before meeting Morales in Tijuana! Many feared for Eddie's life! The abbreviated ending (3? I'm not sure.) was Erik's gift to Croft for showing up, I guess...

About Chavez: Jesus was in deep trouble, but Erik failed to put him away. Re: Carlos, he was target practice, yes, but stayed on his feet till last bell.
Good to see you, buddy!

What I cannot understand is how Erik failed to realize that Chavez wasn't throwing his right hand? I mean how?!?!

Anyweyz, no I don't think that Erik has brought his power at 130.
His very accurate with his punches specially when he controls the distance. His KOs in the past, putting his size aside, were more of accumulation of punches with pinpoint precision. And when you get hit that clean that often, you can only take so much.

He had some power but not enough to hurt MAB and keep him at bay or make him think twice about coming forward. You can tell with the way MAB took some of those shots. Erik lost to an opponent made to beat him. A fighter who was quick, strong, determined and who wasn't afraid to take a shot just to give one back.

[grayfist]

What I cannot understand is how Erik failed to realize that Chavez wasn't throwing his right hand? I mean how?!?!

Anyweyz, no I don't think that Erik has brought his power at 130.
His very accurate with his punches specially when he controls the distance. His KOs in the past, putting his size aside, were more of accumulation of punches with pinpoint precision. And when you get hit that clean that often, you can only take so much.

He had some power but not enough to hurt MAB and keep him at bay or make him think twice about coming forward. You can tell with the way MAB took some of those shots. Erik lost to an opponent made to beat him. A fighter who was quick, strong, determined and who wasn't afraid to take a shot just to give one back.

Hi, pal! Re: Chavez, yes. How could not have Erik seen that Chavez was an one-armed foe? Morales' father, his entire corner, missed that too? I don't get that at all, either! And he had Chavez at the verge with an uppercut! Why did he fail to finish?

Now that you mentioned the distinctive accuracy of the Superbantam Morales, one recalls how often he missed last Saturday! And, while pundits expected an abundant display of the stiff Morales jab, t'was Barrera who showed he had a good one as well! He put that on show in good moments, as he also indicated he didn't leave any of his arsenal at home-- he had such great body shots, including a number of thuds to the liver, just to mention one specific item in his arsenal! And it was the smaller MAB who was trying to roughouse the bigger Morales!

[m00ks]

Hi, pal! Re: Chavez, yes. How could not have Erik seen that Chavez was an one-armed foe? Morales' father, his entire corner, missed that too? I don't get that at all, either! And he had Chavez at the verge with an uppercut! Why did he fail to finish?

Now that you mentioned the distinctive accuracy of the Superbantam Morales, one recalls how often he missed last Saturday! And, while pundits expected an abundant display of the stiff Morales jab, t'was Barrera who showed he had a good one as well! He put that on show in good moments, as he also indicated he didn't leave any of his arsenal at home-- he had such great body shots, including a number of thuds to the liver, just to mention one specific item in his arsenal! And it was the smaller MAB who was trying to roughouse the bigger Morales!

Hey man.
Morlales waited on Barrera. He couldn't cope with MAB's speed and accuracy in counterpunching. He did not know what was in front of him. When you picture how your match can go in your head, you can be surprised come fight night. I gotta tell you , Mab's left hook followed by a left upeprcut was sweet indeed. Anyweyz, Barrera knew Morales too well after 24 rounds. Plus with EM's head in the air he knew he had the edge in preparation.

[grayfist]

Hey man.
Morlales waited on Barrera. He couldn't cope with MAB's speed and accuracy in counterpunching. He did not know what was in front of him. When you picture how your match can go in your head, you can be surprised come fight night. I gotta tell you , Mab's left hook followed by a left upeprcut was sweet indeed. Anyweyz, Barrera knew Morales too well after 24 rounds. Plus with EM's head in the air he knew he had the edge in preparation.

Morales is known to be a slow starter, so when it appeared that MAB was in a fight in the earliest rounds, many felt it was just a case of the habitual Morales slow start. But when it got to round 6, it was Barrera who ratcheted it up a notch!

It's just ludicrous to start fighting only past round 6, even for a slow starter!(I gave Morales rounds 7 and 8 but the 9th was again MAB's)

May be your right. Morales waited and waited too much. He was setting up for a KO punch, but managed none. It looked to me that he had committed himself to a KO win, what with his being such the bigger fella. 143 lbs that he brought into the ring, was it? So, he kept looking for that big shot.

The times he put a few together, he missed or was just forced to to ward off MAB who initiated most of the time. In their 2nd fight, Erik had managed to measure up to what MAB had to offer in terms of quickness, although he lost that in the official tally. (I'm one of those who thought, Morales won the 2nd meeting while MAB took the 1st, but officially lost).

I won't put up the house on this, but I fleetingly saw ( maybe it's just me who saw this, or I was seeing things) what I suspected as a look of surprise in the eyes of Morales in round 3, when MAB just kept coming in, after
he gave MAB some in round 2 (if someone took round 2, I saw it as Eric's; ever so slightly). May be he was really convinced that he could take MAB out, and when he failed to do that, he was a tad dispirited, but sufficiently so for MAB to take advantage.

Whatever. All I seem to have seen was an apparent lack of conscious effort (a resolve...a conviction, if you will) on the part of Erik to impose his will. MAB, on the other hand, was trying to do exactly that---even went so far as to employ a few bullying tactics. And to think he is the smaller man!

Well,WILL, aka, DESIRE, may have been what separated them. THE ONE WHO HAD MORE OF IT WON, I think.

[Sir_Jose]

Its not will, its not heart, its not desire, its a bad style matchup for Morales and it always will be plain and simple. If these two guys fight 100 times its always gonna look like this.

No Morales has not brought his punch up to 130, like someone said before at 122 he had a wicked right.

As far as Chavez goes its hard to KO someone when they have there hand glued to the side of there face.

[psychopath]

thanks for the great rundown on morales grayfish.
replying to your note i thought those judges had it too close. i had it 8 rounds to 4 for barrera as did some other boxing site commentators. hey the castillo/casamayor this comeing up weekend should be an asswrencher maybe along the same lines of eric/marco.

That's how I saw it too. 116 to 112 for MAB. 8 rounds Mab AND 4 rounds for Eric . . . I just can't understand why 1 judge saw that at 114/114 . . . even?