Drug Testing Guru: Blood Testing is a MUST for Mayweather/Pacquiao!!!

[Mrmza]

-blood testing has not detected the abuse of HGH
-EPO is detected via urine tests
-NSAC uses WADA's list of prohibited substances. steroids are detected via urine tests. any steroid that would be detected under WADA, and hence USADA, would be detected by NSAC.
-manny agreed to random urine testing.

blood testing is completely unnecessary

next.

Absolutely...and what these Gayweather fans are missing is that Pacquiao DID NOT refuse to the test...he refused to go with the organisation that the Gayweathers are choosing...he rathered NSAC do the tests IF either of the teams wrote an official request. Now if the Gayweathers really wanted to go and fight, they should have agreed and wrote the request. But Mr Ducker still refused which only leads to one thing: THAT HE DOES NOT WANT TO FIGHT A CHAMPION. Simple as that

[Siggy]

And this means what to you exactly? We're talking about the difference between blooding testing through urine and blood, not the difference between crack and *******. Doesn't the USADA do urine testing as well? Wouldn't adding another (albeit cheaper) test make the whole procedure, in fact, more expensive?

What is the point of red blood cell counts? Why does the whole procedure seem so much more intrinsic?

well if an athlete has an unusually high hematacrit level (red blood cell count), then he can either be blood doping or utilizing another method to increase his/her red blood cell count. that does not distinguish whether an athlete is injecting EPO.

urine tests detect the substance injected.

for example marion jones used EPO (among other PEDs) that was not detected via blood tests, but her urine sample did test positive for EPO.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/sp...S.2543098.html

[IMDAZED]

well if an athlete has an unusually high hematacrit level (red blood cell count), then he can either be blood doping or utilizing another method to increase his/her red blood cell count. that does not distinguish whether an athlete is injecting EPO.

urine tests detect the substance injected.

for example marion jones used EPO (among other PEDs) that was not detected via blood tests, but her urine sample did test positive for EPO.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/20/sp...S.2543098.html

Do you know what blood doping is? What substance are you referring to? The blood itself? Or some other substance? Is this tied solely to EPO? Forgive me for my questions but you're losing me with all this and I'm still trying to figure out WHY counting blood cells is so important.

[Siggy]

Do you know what blood doping is? What substance are you referring to? The blood itself? Or some other substance? Is this tied solely to EPO? Forgive me for my questions but you're losing me with all this and I'm still trying to figure out WHY counting blood cells is so important.

yes, blood doping is boosting the number of red blood cells.

the substance could be pharmaceutical EPO such as Procrit or Epogen.
for instance my dad is a kidney transplant patient and if his hematocrit level dropped below 30%, he'd have to get a shot of procrit.
i'm sure there are plenty of other EPO products, but you get the idea.

[IMDAZED]

yes, blood doping is boosting the number of red blood cells.

the substance could be pharmaceutical EPO such as Procrit or Epogen.
for instance my dad is a kidney transplant patient and if his hematocrit level dropped below 30%, he'd have to get a shot of procrit.
i'm sure there are plenty of other EPO products, but you get the idea.

So if the person isn't using EPO - which has been around for years now - but is simply transfusing blood using a more modern method, wouldn't blood tests detect that?

[Siggy]

Do you know what blood doping is? What substance are you referring to? The blood itself? Or some other substance? Is this tied solely to EPO? Forgive me for my questions but you're losing me with all this and I'm still trying to figure out WHY counting blood cells is so important.

So if the person isn't using EPO - which has been around for years now - but is simply transfusing blood using a more modern method, wouldn't blood tests detect that?

maybe.
but there currently is no method to test for blood doping via blood transfusions

[IMDAZED]

maybe.
but there currently is no method to test for blood doping via blood transfusions

How did they catch Tyler Hamilton? Was that his blood or EPO? Or another variant of blood doping? He was caught multiple times using blood samples. I'll be glad to provide more examples of blood testing for blood doping if you'd like. I'd also like to hear more about the urine testing.

[Civilized]

How did they catch Tyler Hamilton? Was that his blood or EPO? Or another variant of blood doping? He was caught multiple times using blood samples. I'll be glad to provide more examples of blood testing for blood doping if you'd like. I'd also like to hear more about the urine testing.

The blood tests are much more comprehensive. The tests that Manny doesn't want to take.

[cixthree]

no. you already chose what you want to believe.


furthermore, HGH does not benefit boxers at lower weight classes becuz it unnecessarily increases mass (in organs and bone) and reduces stamina.
plus, it is only fully effective when coupled with steroids, of which are detected by urine tests.

again, EPO is detected via urine tests.

go ahead and dispute anything that i said

Dman dude, A Dr just layed the whole thing out for you... You still are ****ing your head against a brick wall, you are really blind