Would you lose all respect for Manny if he was on steroids?

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

These athletes have a tremndous amount of pressure put on them with large sums of money hanging in the balance. Some of them get compared too other past greats at an early stage and spend their whole careers trying to live up to the hype. I am not in favor of cheating nor am I in favor of using illegal performance enhancing drugs. The same way they are talking about using energy drinks in the corner instead of water and they have brought open scoring into the mix. Whether or not I am in favor of any of those changes made to the rules is not relivant. What might happen when they bring in instant replay? Life constantly changes and so does sport. HGH can be very beneficial to athletes. Especially aging ones whos bodies don't produce the high level of hormones needed to regenerate and heal. It can be used for lots of different reasons. The old fashion horse genomes used in the late 70's and early 80's are gone. With all the advancements in science and the use of stem cell research doctors can make up pills for everything from restless legs to viagra right? Honestly who determines what drugs are on the banned list and which are legal anyways?.....Lefty

[BritishBoxing92]

Then you better start hating on:

Roy Jones
James Toney
Shane Mosley
Vargas
Holyfield
Tommy Morrison

People talk that Roy went from MW to Heavyweight and is an ATG and that he is now diminishing his legacy. Well surely the Roid jones thing should make him not be discussed that way. Maybe his roids helped prolong his speed? People still show him love by wanting him to retire before he gets seriously hurt.

Toney is discussed as a damn skillful man, most say he is one of the msot skilled ever. However he was caught using some steroids. Maybe it wouldn't have helped his skills, but he still was cheating.

Mosley had great wins and fights, but perhaps he wouldn't be the man he was without? People talk of him as the best Welter today, which he is in my eyes until I see him in the Berto fight.

Vargas is talked about like a great prospect who jumped in too soon. People love his style and heart.

Holyfield is talked about as a very skilled boxer who had a good defense. CW champ to Heavyweight. Very good achievement and fights. People still love him today.

Morrison, well I just added him on because he was in Rocky 5 and DK played Rocky and him

I'm just saying that I know the people who would hate on Pacquaio if he was on steroids most likely still support/ do not hate atleast one fighter in that list.

most probably yes

[PensionKiller]

These athletes have a tremndous amount of pressure put on them with large sums of money hanging in the balance. Some of them get compared too other past greats at an early stage and spend their whole careers trying to live up to the hype. I am not in favor of cheating nor am I in favor of using illegal performance enhancing drugs. The same way they are talking about using energy drinks in the corner instead of water and they have brought open scoring into the mix. Whether or not I am in favor of any of those changes made to the rules is not relivant. What might happen when they bring in instant replay? Life constantly changes and so does sport. HGH can be very beneficial to athletes. Especially aging ones whos bodies don't produce the high level of hormones needed to regenerate and heal. It can be used for lots of different reasons. The old fashion horse genomes used in the late 70's and early 80's are gone. With all the advancements in science and the use of stem cell research doctors can make up pills for everything from restless legs to viagra right? Honestly who determines what drugs are on the banned list and which are legal anyways?.....Lefty

Good post bro.

Sport stars are always pressured by history and fans as well as money. People need to make or break records constantly.
Teams need to win, win and win.
It is tough and people will ofcourse try to do as much as they can to win, legally and some rare occasions illegally.

I don't know how the rules work, but I do know that people will always try to be better and win, and some will get extra help.

[PensionKiller]

most probably yes

Do you believe any of those fighters were caught or atleast have used performance enhancers, and do you respect or like any aswell?

[Weebler I]

I'd lose all respect for him, just I have for the rest of the cheats (probably no surprise that they're all American). Manny isn't American however, and I don't believe he is cheating.

[Squirrel]

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=2888

Linked to BALCO which made a drug called THG which helps hide steroids.

Please read the whole article though.


I like your points because I didn't know that, but I don't know if it is a likely story.

A lot of profesional athletes who get caught actually make funny excuses.

I did Biochemistry at Uni so it's a legit excuse, i'll read the link you provided me too.

[PensionKiller]

I'd lose all respect for him, just I have for the rest of the cheats (probably no surprise that they're all American). Manny isn't American however, and I don't believe he is cheating.

There were some others who cheated who weren't American aswell to be fair, I just didn't add them because they aren't famous at all.

I don't believe he is, like I don;t believe Floyd is. I see a lot of hard work from both guys.

[PensionKiller]

I did Biochemistry at Uni so it's a legit excuse, i'll read the link you provided me too.

My girl friend is doing a masters in Bio Chemistry and something else. I asked her about it and she said blood is better than piss in terms of testing because piss has a lot fo excess stuff from the blood or soemthing. She did say that she needs to research before I say anything.

She did say that Manny may have hypertrophy and muscle memory when people talk about his body.

I'm not smart like her so don't understand the rest that she said lol.

What made me hug her was when we got into a lil fight and she said don't make me upper crust you lol. Yeah go on then, upper crust me!

I was like you stick to your science and I stick to my boxing. Deal!

As for his excuse, it is also possible that anyone who has knowledge could have told him to say that.

The article doesn't say or prove he was cheating, but a good read.

[Bushbaby]

Pension,if Manny tested positive for roids especially after filing suite & having people petitioning on his behalf to drain floyd's money,I would lose tons of respect for him!!For the record,I don't believe he has ever done them!!I don't think this tread was necessary!!!The other fighters U mentioned never went through this level to hide anything!!

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

There were some others who cheated who weren't American aswell to be fair, I just didn't add them because they aren't famous at all.

I don't believe he is, like I don;t believe Floyd is. I see a lot of hard work from both guys.

One point that should be made is that just because you have used PEDS doesn't mean you have to work any less hard in the GYM. You may see better results from both combined HARD WORK & USING PEDS. BUt one with out the other is NOT going to do anything for you. If you had a list of all the professional athletes today who take some kind or PED legal or illegal it would surprise you. If you had a list of all those PEDS available to athletes and saw which ones did what and then compared the list of illegal PEDS to legal PEDS you might see some on one list the LEGAL list that do exactly the same as some on the "OTHER" list ILLEGAL list. Question you have to raise is why would a LEGAL drug do the same thing as an ILLEGAL drug and second question is why aren't they both LEGAL or why aren't they both ILLEGAL? Both are very good question the answer is POLITICS and how those drugs are distributed also side affects and long term side effects. Check into it you may be very surprised....Lefty