Manny bullied by ugly Americans

[Michael Hall]

What american's is he whopping on? ODLH who else?

LMAO! Thread can be closed now.

[j]

just a thought...

manny hasnt just gotten bigger over 6 months or anything. he has gradually added a little muscle here and a little muscle there. he didnt jump 3 weightclasses in 3 months or anything. and he was always petty damn cut. just looks like he filled out a bit, as people naturally do as they age.

[Nuurzhaelan]

TAKE HIM DOWN by unproven speculative ACCUSATIONS.

BULLIES.

All accusations, by their natures, are unproven or else they would cease being accusations and become facts. Baseless accusations, perhaps, but be honest with yourself...would you totally buy into a guy going from 106 to 145, carrying all his power and speed with him when it has never been done before if it were not your favorite fighter doing it AFTER other people gave considered analysis after considered analysis on the subject? No matter what you think, I doubt you would.

The accusers have a dubious, but plausible case and this is precisely how many people have been found out in the past. People are allowed to doubt and you do not have to like it. If the ugliness that comes with success is too much for Pacquiao and his fanatics to handle, there are alternatives. He could start losing for one...or he could take the tests and bring all this debate to a close. Of the two which would you prefer?

[jqSide]

All accusations, by their natures, are unproven or else they would cease being accusations and become facts. Baseless accusations, perhaps, but be honest with yourself...would you totally buy into a guy going from 106 to 145, carrying all his power and speed with him when it has never been done before if it were not your favorite fighter doing it AFTER other people gave considered analysis after considered analysis on the subject? No matter what you think, I doubt you would.

The accusers have a dubious, but plausible case and this is precisely how many people have been found out in the past. People are allowed to doubt and you do not have to like it. If the ugliness that comes with success is too much for Pacquiao and his fanatics to handle, there are alternatives. He could start losing for one...or he could take the tests and bring all this debate to a close. Of the two which would you prefer?

So you're saying all he had to do is submit to Floyd's Olympic drug testing style and all accusations will go away? Is that what you mean? If yes, what does that prove other than he's not going to use peds anymore. It's too risky.

[titan m]

Americans boxing fans love:

Drug Cheat Shane Mosley
Drug Cheat Evander Holyfield (I'm a fan myself)
Rapist Mike Tyson

Yet a little Asian man shows up and starts whooping their fighters asses. He, unlike the above has never been been involved in a steroid scandal or convicted of ****. And unlike his accuser Floyd Mayweather Sr has never peddled drugs.

BUT HE IS ACCUSED BY US BOXERS, SUBJECTED TO DEMANDS FOR MAJOR SCALE DRUG TESTS (AIMED DIRECTLY AT HIM), AND HATED BY LARGE NUMBERS OF US BOXING FANS.

WHY?

Afraid and threatened by the idea that a little Asian man is better than you? Can't bear to see his respect, admiration and fandom grow in the mainstream public's eyes while your own fighters struggle for popularity? Eating you up so much that you have to TAKE HIM DOWN by unproven speculative ACCUSATIONS.

BULLIES.

why does everything on here turn into a racist battle? the fact that somebody is not a manny pacquiao fan does not make them racist. if you believe that then you must also believe that all the pacquiao fans in the philippines are racist because they dont like mayweather, which is equally ridiculous.

[Nuurzhaelan]

So you're saying all he had to do is submit to Floyd's Olympic drug testing style and all accusations will go away? Is that what you mean? If yes, what does that prove other than he's not going to use peds anymore. It's too risky.

I am telling you that Pacquiao can either deal with the fallout that invariably comes with success or he can stop being successful. One of the ways to deal with it is to submit to the tests. Some accusations would not go away, but it would bring almost all of the rational debate to a close. Given that he has (or had) a sterling reputation, never did drugs in the past and if he submitted to the tests and passed easily, how many people do you think could reasonably accuse him of peds? There are no absolutes, but I do believe that if he took the tests and passed easily that no one, who wanted to be taken seriously anyway, could call him out anymore.

[p4p-champ]

Awwww...another Jealousy thread.

[Nuurzhaelan]

why does everything on here turn into a racist battle? the fact that somebody is not a manny pacquiao fan does not make them racist. if you believe that then you must also believe that all the pacquiao fans in the philippines are racist because they dont like mayweather, which is equally ridiculous.

Probably because people take accusations against a single boxer as attacks against their persons and backgrounds. It is ludicrous.

[fcastro1]

All accusations, by their natures, are unproven or else they would cease being accusations and become facts. Baseless accusations, perhaps, but be honest with yourself...would you totally buy into a guy going from 106 to 145, carrying all his power and speed with him when it has never been done before if it were not your favorite fighter doing it AFTER other people gave considered analysis after considered analysis on the subject? No matter what you think, I doubt you would.

The accusers have a dubious, but plausible case and this is precisely how many people have been found out in the past. People are allowed to doubt and you do not have to like it. If the ugliness that comes with success is too much for Pacquiao and his fanatics to handle, there are alternatives. He could start losing for one...or he could take the tests and bring all this debate to a close. Of the two which would you prefer?

he said he will take the tests. floyd wants the possibility of a 24 hour period before the fight which pac has a historical problem with. again pac has said yes.

[jqSide]

I am telling you that Pacquiao can either deal with the fallout that invariably comes with success or he can stop being successful. One of the ways to deal with it is to submit to the tests. Some accusations would not go away, but it would bring almost all of the rational debate to a close. Given that he has (or had) a sterling reputation, never did drugs in the past and if he submitted to the tests and passed easily, how many people do you think could reasonably accuse him of peds? There are no absolutes, but I do believe that if he took the tests and passed easily that no one, who wanted to be taken seriously anyway, could call him out anymore.

You lost me. I'm not against the testing. I am sure he will take the test if they were taken now, yes, today, or any day that is convenient to the proper authorities. The other is during the training leading to the fight. These are separate issues. And you're confusing the two.