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  • PACHUGGER
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    Should Pacquiao drop the lawsuit if the fight can still be made?

    Should Pacquiao drop the lawsuit if the fight can still be made?
    January 3, 4:37 AMPittsburgh Fight Sports Examiner
    BY Scott Heritage


    Manny should avoid court (AP Photo)Manny Pacquiao and his legal team are currently filing papers in order to sue Floyd Mayweather Jr, his father, uncle and Golden Boy promotions for defamation.

    The suit comes after Mayweather and his team demanded extra testing for Pacquiao and implied and outright said to varying degrees that the Filipino champion was taking performance enhancing drugs of some kind.

    It isn't clear exactly what is going on just yet between Mayweather and Pacquiao, or who either fighter are facing next. Some sources say that various fights are already as good as made, while others are saying that there are still terms laid out by Top Rank which have a deadline of Monday for Mayweather and Golden Boy to agree to.

    One aspect of this is whether Manny will continue to pursue his lawsuit of the fight goes ahead. Also perhaps more pertinent would be whether Mayweather will agree to any terms from Pacquiao now that a law suit is involved. Obviously there is blame within both camps as to why the terms could not be worked out peaceably, but if the threat of a lawsuit actually helps make the fight happen then so be it.

    Otherwise the law suit seems like a fruitless endeavor from Pacquiao. While he may well win and make several million dollars, the lawsuit isn't going to stop people speculating about what he may or may not have taken. For the time and effort involved he might as well concentrate on training and make more with his next fight than spending time and money this way. Not to mention there are still figures from within boxing such as Paulie Malignaggi and Kermit Cintron who are not involved with the law suit and perhaps should be if his other accusers are.

    Apart from anything else, Pacquiao realistically doesn't have a very good chance of winning the case. Mayweather and co undoubtedly slandered him, but defamation cases never tend to work out like athletes want them to, just ask Shane Mosley. Not only this but they can drag on for years and cost millions for both sides.

    Surely the last thing Pacquiao wants is to have the drug allegations bandied about on a regular occurrence, even if only as part of the trial proceedings. Casual fans who don't know much about boxing or Manny Pacquiao and his good character might still come to think of Manny as 'that boxer from the drug testing trial' even if he wins.

    For most of the people accusing Pacquiao and member of the public who now doubt his credibility, filing a lawsuit isn't going to change many opinions. Undoubtedly the testing episode damaged Manny's reputation, but being willing to sue over the issue doesn't really solve it either way. Manny still refuses to take the extra tests and those who doubt him will still doubt. A few million dollars isn't that much of a penalty for someone who can make that in a single night's work either. Roger and Floyd Sr. might be harder hit by substantial damages, but for Floyd Jr. this lawsuit will be ineffective whatever the eventual turnout.

    The legality of offering to drop his lawsuit if the fight terms are made is something I'm not so sure on, but it sounds like something that would have to be offered under the table and away from the prying eyes of journalists and the public. Still whether or not there is any legal issue over this idea, it might prove effective should the fight happen.

    After all, making $40 million dollars and getting his arch rival into the ring finally will be much more rewarding for Pacquiao than making perhaps one or two million for a defamation suit.

    I don't think Manny has anything to hide, but suits like this tend to have a way of blowing up in the faces of all involved and being a waste of time and money. Lets hope the fight is made over the next few days and that the suit is forgotten about. Manny will be a lot better off doing his talking in the ring instead of the court room.
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    pac should continue with the lawsuit even if the fight gets made. team mayweather has cost pac millions in endorsement deals, his future political career, and pac's legacy.

    pac should suit them blind.

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    • THE MASTERKUSH
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      by Madcow

      I warned you.

      Don't tell me that I didn't warn you about enabling the pint sized Filipino Frankenstein, Manny Pacquiao.

      It was sweet, the way he moved up in weight from 130 to 135 to 140 and 147, blowing opponents away and getting more positive press than Mother Teresa.

      Forget the fact that his rise was carefully choreographed, eschewing the best in each division and, just to make things safer, imposing crippling pre-fight contractual demands to ensure total domination.

      Forget that he creates chaos in each division he enters, Winning titles and leaving them unattended in a selfish quest to satiate his own thirst for glory at the expense of the sport.

      Hey! But what a great story! Humble Asian Super Hero, rising from having his dad eat his dog in the slums of General Santos City to the bright lights of Las Vegas! And he does it all for love of country and fear of God!

      Well, whoopeee-****ing-do!

      I'm an old man who's been wrong a lot, but one of the few lessons I've learned in life is that those most vocal about loving country and fearing God most likely do neither. Pacquiao's personal life has been tainted by a penchant for dry-humping every Filipino starlet he can get his hands on and his professional life has been characterized by intermittent questionable dealings surrounded by a spoiled brat mentality.

      I try to never blame the con man for running his game; That's what a con man does. But behind the rise of every con man is one fool who, through his own greed, flipped the small-time confidence man into something much bigger. In Pacquiao's case, this was Oscar De la Hoya.

      De la Hoya, in his rush to finish out his career with an easy win over a big name, enabled Manny to the Nth degree and crippled himself in order to do it. He ended up selling his heart and soul for this fight and he got his ass handed to him. But worst of all, he turned a small-time pick pocket into Bernie "Freakin'" Madoff. Oscar De la Hoya, boxing's answer to RuPaul, turned Manny Pacquiao into a real, big league draw and, in the process, damned the sport of boxing to hell.

      Then, of course, we all witnessed Pacquiao and Bob Arum pull a train on Miguel Cotto as they did everything but rufie the guy before the fight to ensure a Manny win.

      Now, as the proposed Super Fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather is held up by Pacquiao's sheer fright at taking random blood tests, another dark secret may have been revealed to all those smart enough to pay attention.

      In my opinion, and in the opinion of a lot of hardcore fans, something about Pacquiao's rise in weight has always seemed fishy.

      The recent questions regarding performance enhancing drugs are not recent at all and I've heard whispers for a couple years already. But now, as Pacquiao hides under his bed at his mega-mansion compound in the Philippines, I think we're all seeing the answer as to whether Manny's been up to anything shady.

      It would be a very simple matter to just give in to this one contractual demand from Floyd Mayweather, just as he's forced his opponents to give in to each and every one of his whims in recent fights. Hell, he's already made one crazy demand of Mayweather- a 10 million dollar per pound penalty if Floyd comes in over the weight limit; a demand, by the way, that Mayweather quickly agreed to.

      So, what's the big deal? As has been established time and again, the proposed testing agency, The United States Anti-Doping Agency, would end up taking such a very small amount of blood that it wouldn't be considered even partially detrimental to a normal human being.

      Instead of manning-up and taking the fight to the ring like the man he pretends to be, Pacquiao's crying about phobias, susperstitions and filing lawsuits from the other side of the world like a little punk.

      What's funny is the absolute denial from Pacquiao fans who are blind to the greatest level of celebrity su****ion since OJ took off for Mexico in his White Bronco with a fake beard and a bag full of cash.

      They'll let Pacquiao slide and, unfortunately, this will further enable him to do whatever the hell he's already been doing.

      So, let's just drop all pretense here and let King Pacquiao do his thing out in the open. Now that Manny has the blind, unconditional love of the entire Asian continent as well as all Filipino-American fans, let's let him run his game to its full extent and do whatever he wants to with his body.

      Can you imagine a 6 ft 10, 350 lb. Manny Pacquiao lumbering into the ring, cancerous tumors all over his body, stepping over the top rope and crushing Vitali Klitschko in 30 seconds? The fans and the Pacquiao-infatuated segment of the media would be giddy.

      "What a man! He's so humble. Look at his shy smile as he begins to eat Vitali's unconscious body in the middle of the ring. The next Henry Armstrong!"

      I'll end this by pulling this quote from a story that has been mysteriously silenced since it came out. From a December 25th New York Daily News column by respected sportswriter, Tim Smith:

      "This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.
      Those are disturbing requests. It could just be due diligence on the part of the attorneys negotiating the contract or it could be that Pacquiao has something to hide. The only way to clear up the matter is to agree to the testing. Mayweather has agreed to undergo the same procedures..."

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      • fightingfigs
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        #4
        Originally posted by PACHUGGER
        Should Pacquiao drop the lawsuit if the fight can still be made?
        January 3, 4:37 AMPittsburgh Fight Sports Examiner
        BY Scott Heritage


        Manny should avoid court (AP Photo)Manny Pacquiao and his legal team are currently filing papers in order to sue Floyd Mayweather Jr, his father, uncle and Golden Boy promotions for defamation.

        The suit comes after Mayweather and his team demanded extra testing for Pacquiao and implied and outright said to varying degrees that the Filipino champion was taking performance enhancing drugs of some kind.

        It isn't clear exactly what is going on just yet between Mayweather and Pacquiao, or who either fighter are facing next. Some sources say that various fights are already as good as made, while others are saying that there are still terms laid out by Top Rank which have a deadline of Monday for Mayweather and Golden Boy to agree to.

        One aspect of this is whether Manny will continue to pursue his lawsuit of the fight goes ahead. Also perhaps more pertinent would be whether Mayweather will agree to any terms from Pacquiao now that a law suit is involved. Obviously there is blame within both camps as to why the terms could not be worked out peaceably, but if the threat of a lawsuit actually helps make the fight happen then so be it.

        Otherwise the law suit seems like a fruitless endeavor from Pacquiao. While he may well win and make several million dollars, the lawsuit isn't going to stop people speculating about what he may or may not have taken. For the time and effort involved he might as well concentrate on training and make more with his next fight than spending time and money this way. Not to mention there are still figures from within boxing such as Paulie Malignaggi and Kermit Cintron who are not involved with the law suit and perhaps should be if his other accusers are.

        Apart from anything else, Pacquiao realistically doesn't have a very good chance of winning the case. Mayweather and co undoubtedly slandered him, but defamation cases never tend to work out like athletes want them to, just ask Shane Mosley. Not only this but they can drag on for years and cost millions for both sides.

        Surely the last thing Pacquiao wants is to have the drug allegations bandied about on a regular occurrence, even if only as part of the trial proceedings. Casual fans who don't know much about boxing or Manny Pacquiao and his good character might still come to think of Manny as 'that boxer from the drug testing trial' even if he wins.

        For most of the people accusing Pacquiao and member of the public who now doubt his credibility, filing a lawsuit isn't going to change many opinions. Undoubtedly the testing episode damaged Manny's reputation, but being willing to sue over the issue doesn't really solve it either way. Manny still refuses to take the extra tests and those who doubt him will still doubt. A few million dollars isn't that much of a penalty for someone who can make that in a single night's work either. Roger and Floyd Sr. might be harder hit by substantial damages, but for Floyd Jr. this lawsuit will be ineffective whatever the eventual turnout.

        The legality of offering to drop his lawsuit if the fight terms are made is something I'm not so sure on, but it sounds like something that would have to be offered under the table and away from the prying eyes of journalists and the public. Still whether or not there is any legal issue over this idea, it might prove effective should the fight happen.

        After all, making $40 million dollars and getting his arch rival into the ring finally will be much more rewarding for Pacquiao than making perhaps one or two million for a defamation suit.

        I don't think Manny has anything to hide, but suits like this tend to have a way of blowing up in the faces of all involved and being a waste of time and money. Lets hope the fight is made over the next few days and that the suit is forgotten about. Manny will be a lot better off doing his talking in the ring instead of the court room.
        Hell yea he should drop that petty ****. Just take the tests and make the fight. earn glory the oldschool way. True P4P style.

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        • Talisayen
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          Sue the Crachkead family even if they retract their allegations.

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          • BabeLazy
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            Pacman should not drop the lawsuit. If the defendants believe that Pacman's suit has no merit, then, the defendants has nothing to worry about. Besides, the lawsuits are a different matter from the fight so there is no reason to drop it. The lawsuit is about defending your honor. You have to standup for your honor, the fights and money are only secondary. It is important to know who is the real innocent party in this case and who is or are the villains, otherwise, people will not stop taking pot shots on his legacy, achievement and his precious honor. Remember, Pacman is against these people who are trying to destroy him and if he drop the lawsuits, these people will consider that as a weakness and they will not stop doing it. It is also a fact that Pacman's opponents have a different agenda than the fight itself which is mainly to bring him down.

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            • deuce_drop
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              the damage is done, and the doubt has been set, win, lose, or draw, pacquiao will always be in question, even when passing any and all tests, people will always find an excuse to doubt him, people do it all the time when they have a particular stance on something.

              that is why the lawsuit is happening in the first place, because if it were just trash talk, it would go away, this isnt trash talk, and wont go away, because sad to say, 98% of the people out there would much rather see pacquiao fail a drug test so they can say " i knew it " or " i told you so " or so they can feel like it's some kind of moral victory, but fact of the matter is, he's passed all test that have been before him, so.................. until then he's innocent.

              but, unless he's found guilty, then he should keep the suit going, because this kind of harassment isnt going to go away not matter the outcome of the fight or no fight.............. people will still accuse him even if he agrees to all of floyds drug test demand, and even if he wins in court, people will still say he's on something................ so might as well stamp out those who started this **** fire.................

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              • cherokee
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                Hell No!

                will lose a lil respect if he does!!!

                I have to time evil, malicious bullies!

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                • cherokee
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                  That’s the worst thing Floyd could have done to the fight. He’s always bitching how he never gets credit for being great. Well, this one is on him. If the fight ever happens and Floyd wins, people will say “Well, Manny was not on ‘roids so he lost.” If Floyd loses, then he can argue Manny found a way to beat the tests. What Floyd has done, besides begin speculation about Manny Pacquiao, is effectively kill any joy we had in this fight. For one, I am sick of hearing that it’s on or off or on again. For two, it’s one thing to trash talk an opponent. It’s another to call him a cheater when he hasn’t been caught doing a damn thing except being a good fighter. It was a cheap shot and what it’s done is ignite the media into their typical frenzy where they will poke and probe until they think they have found something all the while burning down the forest of Manny Pacquiao’s reputation. The boxing forums are rife with junior prosecutors and PED experts claiming this or that about Manny’s guilt or innocence. It’s just ugly.

                  I was on the fence a bit about Manny refusing more tests.. I think the need for more or better tests is very real but it’s a separate issue from Manny’s decision. We will always need to try and stay one step ahead of cheaters. It’s an ugly but real part of the nature of competition.

                  But what Manny is doing in refusing to be put under new, never before seen scrutiny is commendable. During this never ending week, I started thinking “Manny, just take the test already.” But then I remembered when Roger Clemens’ trainer came out and said he gave the man steroids and Clemens denied it. All the media kept saying was “An innocent man would sue. Why isn’t Roger suing?” Well, here we are with Manny and his defamation suit and the fans and media are saying the opposite. He can’t win. No man can in the current “Guilty because we think it’s possible” court of public opinion.

                  You see what Floyd did? He put Manny in a position where the only thing he could do is look guilty. I’m not one to wish people ill will but I hope Manny takes these guys to the cleaners. They went too far. The testing issue could have been handled so much quieter and better than this. Instead, a man’s reputation has been damaged and boxing fans have missed out on a chance to remind the world that when boxing is on point, no sport can touch it.

                  Thanks, Floyd. Real nice job..

                  source: http://www.secondsout.com/news?ccs=1625&cs=128615

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                  so NO he should not drop the lawsuit! as I've highlighted, he ruined this fight for us fans and second his camp went too far!!!!

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                  • Boxing Scene
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                    How can he be "made" to do anything. You think he's gonna let them write that in the contract? hahahahahahaha

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