Who Doesn't Think Blood Test are Good For Boxing?

[M.I.C.]

would it be naive for me to think that in reality, atleast 60% of the top fighters are on some type of PED's?

I think Pacquiao refusing to test is making boxing as a whole look bad. I guarantee there is not a baseball, football, cycling, or Olympic athlete alive that consider Pac's refusal....heroic.

[ThePunchingBag]

You make good points but when I think about it.. Pac and his team are arguing that it is the simple act of the test itself that Pac absolutely can not do. He can not have a teaspoon of blood taken out of him within 30 days of the fight. That just doesn't make any Sense. Making a catchweight for a natural welter imo is tougher than a blood test.

Truthfully a lot of people think Floyd is only asking for the test cause he no Pac doesn't like it. What if he actually is truly concerned that Pac may be on the juice? Do members here owe him an apology. These fans will take Pac's concerns seriously but they wont take Mayweathers concerns seriously.

It's not very likely that he thinks Pac is on the juice.

What makes him think Pac is juicin'?

Pac's own success or his father's crack induced accusations?

Either way, Pac has never been suspected of Steroids before, so why toss 40 million away based on a hunch or su****ion?

[M.I.C.]

It's not very likely that he thinks Pac is on the juice.

What makes him think Pac is juicin'?

Pac's own success or his father's crack induced accusations?

Either way, Pac has never been suspected of Steroids before, so why toss 40 million away based on a hunch or su****ion?

I think the size of Pac's head is one possible reason, also his performances in the ring. Maybe they do view walking through Cotto's punches like its nothing as being unnatural. I dont think its out of bounds to suspect any athlete is juicing, this is the era we live in. And now that we know that the Nevada Commision test is outdated it is even more likely some substances are getting by.

[tanibanana]

Its good for boxing if it'll be 100% implemented
on ALL boxing fights.. If it'll be on just people who
are having unfair treatment, what is the use?

[M.I.C.]

Its good for boxing if it'll be 100% implemented
on ALL boxing fights.. If it'll be on just people who
are having unfair treatment, what is the use?

Nothing is unfair if both fighters agree to it. But even with that said, boxing has never been fair, its all about favoritism, who's the draw, who's making the most money, etc... It's never had any real governing body so no request is out of line or unfair. Fighters can ask for whatever they want.

[ThePunchingBag]

I think the size of Pac's head is one possible reason, also his performances in the ring. Maybe they do view walking through Cotto's punches like its nothing as being unnatural. I dont think its out of bounds to suspect any athlete is juicing, this is the era we live in. And now that we know that the Nevada Commision test is outdated it is even more likely some substances are getting by.

What doesn't make sense to me is how the NSAC is outdated if they're catching people left and right.

It seems like they're only outdated when Floyd brings it up, but before that no one said a peep about the issue.

Why the sudden Blood test championing? Where were they before Floyd demanded OSDT?

[tanibanana]

Nothing is unfair if both fighters agree to it. But even with that said, boxing has never been fair, its all about favoritism, who's the draw, who's making the most money, etc... It's never had any real governing body so no request is out of line or unfair. Fighters can ask for whatever they want.

EXACTLY..

Nothing is unfair if BOTH fighters agree..

[M.I.C.]

What doesn't make sense to me is how the NSAC is outdated if they're catching people left and right.

It seems like they're only outdated when Floyd brings it up, but before that no one said a peep about the issue.

Why the sudden Blood test championing? Where were they before Floyd demanded OSDT?

I just think that there was a hidden unspoken contract amongst fighters that no one speaks of the urine only test. In a way, Floyd has broke rank by bringing it up and demanding blood. I think Floyd does see himself as being above the commission, Pac, and the sport of boxing. But hey it takes a guy with a huge ego to make change. Boxing when it comes down to it is survival of the fittest, its not a team sport, Floyd is looking out for Floyd, if that means every other fighter has to suffer, Floyd can care less, he's made his money. So you can take this and call him the bad guy, but as far as the general public is concerned you are not a bad guy for asking for a better drug test, Pac doesn't realize that yet. He thinks people will view this as a pride issue. Nope, American media doesn't care about pride.

I dont think the Nevada commission is catching guys left and right, only when they get sloppy, like Vargas and Toney.

[cherokee]

floyd would demand to scan manny's **** next

anything that could harass and demoralize the pac

fcking primadonna!

manny will not budge...he is not floyd's *****! this brat is getting away with a lot of things it makes me sick

[ALG United]

Blood testing has received a lot of attention because it is a new concept in the drug testing world. There is a blood test for EPO use, but it is only an indirect test that can be used as a screening measure to save money by determining whether the urine EPO test needs to be conducted. All the blood test does is tell the testers that the athlete has an unusual blood profile that warrants further investigation. The abnormal profile could be caused by the use of EPO, some other blood boosting drug, or just be explained by the athlete being a genetic freak or living at altitude. The testers then perform the urine EPO test to determine whether artificial EPO is the cause of the abnormality. The blood test does not have to be done in order for the athlete to test positive for EPO.


-Dr. Don Catlin

Former head of the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory, one of the top drug labs in the world, and he headed the drug testing lab at the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics. Dr. Caitlin is the same head of the UCLA lab that helped to expose the Balco doping scandal. Dr. Catlin, considered the most prominent anti-doping drug tester in the world.

http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/Perso...rsonID=1850365

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=9248752

" the case of Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, it is asserted that urine based testing alone, as required by the Nevada Commission does not and can not detect all banned supplements. When asked his opinion, Victor Conte, former head of BALCO, and obvious expert on the subject has given his take on the blood test crisis, In my opinion, blood testing for the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is more important for detecting possible blood doping or use of EPO than it is for human growth hormone"Traditional testing in boxing, its basically worthless other than the detection of some types of stimulant, before and after a fight.To just say, Ill be tested on this date, theres all sorts of things you can do with announced testing, you cant do with unannounced testing." Though Conte is a convicted steroid distributor his opinion on this topic certainly carries weight. "

------------Victor Conte


I got this from other posters, can't remember from whom but mad props to them:

If you read both articles, both experts are saying that abnormal level of EPO can be detected by blood test. The difference is, in Doc Catlin's article he explained that an ABNORMALY INDUCED EPO can only be detected by URINE TEST. I'm sure if they asked that question to Conte they would get the proper answer.. And HGH as i gathered are mostly used by body builders, it helps in building mass muscles quicker than normal, BUT it doesn't help in any way in increasing an athletes speed and quickness, this drug even dampens it and makes the person slower..